Until that "talent" translates to wins on the field, he's not that far off.

I think he's pretty damn close from 1-23. You could argue a spot here/there.

From 24 I'd go like this:

24 - Oakland

25 - Tampa

26 - KC

27 - Miami

28 - Seattle

29 - Cleveland

30 - Minnesota

31 - Indy

32 - Jacksonville

LOL

You're absolutely right and shut the **** up !

What Vegas thinks...

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http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/futures/

7 wins with Palko minus Berry, Charles, and Mo says otherwise

They'd have gone 6-10 with Cassel as the starter all season, IMO. Cassel wins the Steelers game and loses both of the games that Orton won. The backup QB argument doesn't wash - they had a better QB for nearly 20% of the season than they're going to have next year.

Then they punted the draft.

Given the fact that they're getting 3 good players back in some capacity (maybe 100%...until Moeaki gets hurt again), they should be better. And the Winston pickup will help a great deal.

They're still a 1 and done squad at their best.

A lot of people are going to lose betting on Denver.

Oh, and you're a welcher

ROFL Broncos 7 to 1

Seriously though...if KC would just draft a first round QB and develop him...you guys would be one of the best teams on paper. Maybe you guys could end that 19 years playoff winless streak and NFL record 7 in-a-row.

ROFL still laughing

28th best in the NFL, or 28th best draft?

Either way....

FYP

You give us Payton Manning this offseason or by some miracle Drew Brees bails and we get him ... imo we are instantly among Pitt,Balt,Pats etc in the AFC.

As it sits, we are going to struggle to make the playoffs.

Clinically dumb.

But since you've provided zero reasoning to back this up, I'll just reiterate the point that it's clinically dumb.

I dunno, they've only gone two decades without winning a playoff game.... I think the media should respect them for at least another decade, until they've really, really proven they're no better than the Browns.

Again, here's what people refuse to acknowledge when it comes to my opinions.

I'm not saying this team is devoid of talent.

I'm simply saying that we don't know exactly what we have.

The overwhelming majority of this board has already declared our young players and FA acquisitions as successes.

We haven't seen enough of these players to make that claim.

Add to that, two of our best players are coming back from an injury that typically sees a decline in performance - and thge QB situation, and I see a team with a metric ****ton of question marks.

I think DJ hit the nail on the head.

If everything goes perfect, this might be a 11-5 team.

But this team could just as easily win 4-6 games - and not necessarily because of injury - but because these kids with little-to-no experience don't end up being anywhere near as good as this fanbase (and organization) think they are.