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aturnis 08-17-2012 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8824918)
My point is to ever say he was worth that pick, he needs to post numbers like JJ Watt.

He's a bust as a #3 pick.

Not a bust as a player. Solid player.

You are beating it to death and for no reason. Going into that draft, we as fans knew our options were extremely limited. Replace Albert at LT, take Raji, a pass rusher we were all skeptical of, or the safe pick in Jackson. We also knew we would like to have traded down, but it wasn't an option.

Given how things turned out for the other guys, and that draft as a whole, we did damned good.

You act as though all #3 overalls are equal in value they are not. That year, there weren't 10 players deserving of a top 10 pick, we were screwed. Whereas this past drafts #3 was extremely valuable b/c of the talent available. Hell, in 2010, 5th round picks were worth the moon.

STOP BLABBING ABOUT IT! HE'S NOT A BUST! No matter how you slice it. It was a solid pick and amounted to more than most picks in that draft did in relationship to their draft position.

Hammock Parties 08-17-2012 03:58 PM

Refuse to admit it was a good pick when there were literally 10-15 other players who were better picks in the first round alone.

aturnis 08-17-2012 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8826373)
Refuse to admit it was a good pick when there were literally 10-15 other players who were better picks in the first round alone.

And every single team in the NFL and every member of their staffs blew every single draft pick they had before the 199th pick in the 2000 draft b/c Brady is the best player.

The 2000 NFL draft picks 1-198 = BUST!

Hammock Parties 08-17-2012 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8826383)
And every single team in the NFL and every member of their staffs blew every single draft pick they had before the 199th pick in the 2000 draft b/c Brady is the best player.

The 2000 NFL draft picks 1-198 = BUST!

Just talking about the first round. ROFL

Settle down. It's OK to admit he will never be worth that pick and there were several options that were better...quite obviously, even on draft day, I might add.

aturnis 08-17-2012 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8826389)
Just talking about the first round. ROFL

Settle down. It's OK to admit he will never be worth that pick and there were several options that were better...quite obviously, even on draft day, I might add.

Such as?

Hammock Parties 08-17-2012 04:10 PM

Brian Orakpo.

DTLB58 08-17-2012 04:26 PM

Crennel was asked in a TC Presser this week to evaluate TJ to this point and he said, "Tyson Jackson is a good football player for our team. That's the most important thing I think. He has grown since I've been here. He understands the system. I've seen improvement in his technique and overall ability".
"I think he will have a good year this year, now him having a good year for me, might not be a good year for some other people. It's the same thing I said about Poe the other day, If you can do what I want you to do for THIS defense then you are doing okay. And if what you do helps this team win, then everyone will be happy.

He was then asked to define a good year and he said "He does what I ask him to do on a consistent and regular basis, and that's a good year".

Messier 08-17-2012 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8826398)
Brian Orakpo.

I'd rather have Orakpo or Raji, but that doesn't mean I'm disappointed in TJ, I think he's fine, and he's doing what he was drafted to do.

Almost every draft there are players that turn out to be really good to great after the Chiefs pick. In '05 the Chiefs could have drafted Aaron Rogers, I'm not unhappy they drafted DJ, it just happens.

Hammock Parties 08-17-2012 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8826453)
In '05 the Chiefs could have drafted Aaron Rogers, I'm not unhappy they drafted DJ, it just happens.

Carl Peterson.

Scott Pioli.

It just happens!

Messier 08-17-2012 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8826469)
Carl Peterson.

Scott Pioli.

It just happens!

What are you saying?

Color Red 08-17-2012 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8824908)
I forget who said it in another thread, but Jackson is clearly not a bust.

The selection right before Jackson was Jason Smith, the #2 overall pick by the Rams who just lost his job to Barry Richardson.

That's a bust.

To label Jackson a bust is to stretch the meaning of the word so bizarrely that the word ceases to have any meaning.


The reality is, it's best to view draft picks in the context of the whole draft, because there can always be a draft pick who doesn't perform as high as his place in the draft. It is not a perfect science. Sometimes not taking certain players at certain picks in the draft is a risk that teams don't want to take, and competitively cannot afford to take. Hopefully there are lower draft picks who perform at higher levels and it balances out, when someone drafted higher goes "bust". But no one bitches about the Justin Houston draft that appears to be a steal.

Chiefs identify Poe as the size and physique of a certain kind of player ideal to play NT. As such a prospect, and one that is rare, they risked a first round pick for a player whose collegiate performance is what it is. Everyone knows Crennell must coach him up or Poe will not bring the performance warranted for a number eleven. But the risk taken was to obtain a kind of rare and so highly desireable role player that the team felt they could not afford to hope to draft in a later round. We'll see how it turns out.

Hammock Parties 08-17-2012 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8826491)
What are you saying?

Making excuses for shitty GMs and saying "it just happens!" is some bullshit, son.

Messier 08-17-2012 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8826532)
Making excuses for shitty GMs and saying "it just happens!" is some bullshit, son.

I don't think either one was or is a shitty GM. Peterson became one, because he overstayed his welcome by about ten years.

So, DJ was a bad pick?

Hammock Parties 08-17-2012 05:11 PM

DJ was a decent pick for sure.

But good GMs make genius moves like picking Rodgers, and average to shitty GMs JUST HAPPEN to draft linebackers.

Yay!

Pasta Little Brioni 08-17-2012 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8826398)
Brian Orakpo.

Chiefs are REAAALLLY lacking at OLB


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