if the QB is from a big powerhouse school - we don't know how good he is, he hides behind a good team

if the QB is from a small school - we don't know how good he is, what will he do against elite talent

sigh

I would take him, but as more of a 4th rounder. We can do a Washington type scenario where they drafted the franchise (RGIII) in round 1 and a solid backup in case the franchise fails in the later rounds (Cousins). Right now we have no solid starter or backup. We need both and Stanzi is not looking like a capable backup or starter at this point.

I love how you call those comments stupid while basically saying exactly the reason why we said them. Game manager on a powerhouse team, yeah, nothing questionable about that. :rolleyes:

Its not the school its the situation. Certain schools just happen to regularly have that situation though. Do you follow?

Yeah that's my thinking.

After the last 20 years I'd throw my shoulder out spanking it if that were to happen...

No, it's a stupid proposition. If Peyton Manning or RGIII went to USC and was successful at USC it wouldn't mean he'd be a bust in the NFL because he went to USC. That's just stupid.

I want to see the rest of this season and a few games in which AJ is forced to make big throws before I start breaking him down fully. However, I think he's got some skills that could translate to a higher level of football.

However programs tend to recruit players that fit their system. An indictment of a QB that comes out of USC because that program has been recruiting those types of players is legit.


Which is exactly why I say fuck no to Barkley.

Barkley was the consensus #1 QB and #5 overall recruit in the country coming out of high school. So if he had chosen Cal, Tennessee, or Stanford instead of USC it'd be ok to draft him? To me, that's just insane. Not saying I want to draft Barkley, but him attending USC isn't the reason why I'd be against.

The problem that I have with evaluating USC QBs is the amount of talent they typically have at skill positions is usually disproportionate to the talent levels of other teams they play throughout the year.

So, when breaking down Barkley, you have to have an understanding of USC's WCO, what kind of plays they like to call on certain situations w/ personnel, and know what coverage they're getting from opposing teams. If you evaluate that extensively, you can make a viable idea on that player, IMO.

Additionally, you have several other variables to take into account when evaluating a college kid. (They are kids, with a life, school, etc. Stuff we would assume wouldn't affect a pro (i.e. a GF dumping them) could have an effect.) )

The Syracuse film to me is the most damning film on Barkley so far this season. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/AgrEnfRlBVg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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What's stupid is you can't tell how there's a clear difference between those situations.

Your Tennessee comparison is so goddamned stupid awful I don't know what to say. Let's look at Manning, or actually let's start with Luck and see why you're completely missing the entire point. Despite being on a good team and having a great coach, Luck wasn't being questioned (much, because actually there were some murmurs, especially after that USC game where they kept handing it off with the game on the line) like that because he was a pretty complete player: good arm, athleticism, size, toughness, knowledge, smarts, plus he had pedigree. Manning was similar.

McCarron? Yeah not so much. In no way does that mean he absolutely is not a good QB or won't be one in the NFL. No one is saying he's not a great prospect solely because of his team. Its because he's just been a game manager on that team for a little while, put up middling numbers, and just has not had a big breakout. He's not even the clear leader of his team, but then its really partway through the 2nd season of him at the helm.

There are other factors, which if you bothered to read past the first sentence I wrote you might have gotten [then again the reading comprehension of people here is so ****ing terrible that I can't even give you the benefit of the doubt]. Unfortunately he just hasn't done much of anything to really warrant much hype and in fact has more questions since at this point he's actually shown less than those USC QBs did so its even more of a question. Oh, and the NFL is much more of a passing league than Alabama at this point so you have to wonder if he can even shoulder it for 30+ passes a game against better talent.

The biggest reason I don't want anything to do with him, and a point I didn't raise before, is that he is a perfect fit for Pioli's dumbass mantra and we already know how much of a total failure that is.

There is that better? :p

WTF is wrong with CP? When McCarron comes out, he's a lock to go in the first or second.

Too early to tell IMO but if he continues his development, then certainly.

Personally, I just want to see more of AJ.

Much. People can have plenty of reasons to not like a guy but saying "because he went to USC" or "because he went to Alabama" is not a valid one, IMO.