Jake Becquette
Jermaine Cunningham
Brandon Deaderick
Ron Brace
Myron Pryor
Shawn Crable
Kareem Brown
Justin Rodgers
Ryan Claridge
Marquise Hill
Jeremy Mincey
Kade Weston
Darryl Richard
LeKevin Smith
Ethan Kelly

Defensive ranking since 2000:
ROFL

Heh, I think that avatar is talking to you...

Dumbass!
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/custo...avatar84_4.gif

I don't know where you found those numbers, but in the last 2 years I know that they finished no higher than 25th in team defense.

I am pretty sure they were the worst defense to ever make it to the Super Bowl a couple years ago. They gave up a ton of yards. Part of that though is just how terrible the AFC has been as a whole. I don't think NE even beat a team with a winning record that year until Baltimore in the AFC title game.

1) You conveniently ignore Chandler Jones. He's the only 1st rd pick BB has used at DE. Even if we extend it to DT? The other 1sts were Seymour, Warren, Wilfork. Yeah, I'd say he did well.

2) Do you know what a Defensive End is? Because you only listed three of them (Deaderick, Mincey, Hill). The other 11 "DEs" were DTs or LBs.

2) Is there such a thing as a 6th/7th round bust? No. Stop being a dumbass. No teams cashes in on late picks on a frequent basis. So, 10 of your 14 "busts" were low picks.

3) I only see three 2s and a 3rd.....one one of whom (Hill) was an actual DE....

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../nwe/draft.htm

Lol, you don't know where I found a stat on points allowed? Only the biggest stats there is on D?

In other words, you have your head up your ass and are in denial over a simple point: The Patriots have done a respectable job re-loading despite losing great veterans...but it's not because any team can just draft multiple Pro Bowlers year-after year. It takes some times. There will be misses along with hits. There will be bumps in the road. Duh.

While points allowed is an important metric, it can be affected somewhat by teams being forced to do things they would not otherwise do in an attempt to keep up.

There is no perfect stat to measure any player or team performance.

You have to weigh those in with what you see.

The Patriot defense has been mediocre to pure garbage for a few years, playing in a division that has garbage offenses.

Oh, no!

You mean, after losing a ton of great all-pro veterans, the Patriots D experienced a rough stretch due to personnel gaps? Because you cannot just draft all-pros year-in-and-year out? Get out!

But guess what? Baltimore and Pittsburgh? They are pretty much heading into the same territory that NE just got out of. Guess what? They won't just waive a magic wand in the draft and fill all the holes on their roster; that's just not realistic.

Oh, and Baltimore just ranked 12th in points allowed in 2012; they were already on their way down....I'm sure they'll rebound. It'll take a season or two. They will have bad picks too (like, say, Sergio Kindle or Terrence Cody).

Wow, you are so thick-headed. This is you just trying to ignore the obvious, instead of conceding a simple, reasonable, point....

Preventing points is the entire reason a defense steps on a field. The whole point of defense is to not allow points. Now you're trying to dismiss/downplay the stat of points allowed? Good luck with that.

Oh, and the afc east has garbage offenses, you say? Ok, but the afc north is pretty much just as lame on offense. Wouldn't that make Pittsburgh and Baltimore's defensive stats just as fraudulent?...or whatever your obnoxious excuse is..

I said pass-rusher, you dumb ****. You're the one unable to discern pass-rusher from DE while talking about the merits of a team that runs a ****ing 3-4.

Since we were talking about Abraham and C. Jones, I thought we were discussing DEs, my apologies.

So, they run a 4-3, now. But if you just want to list "pass rushers," then why did you cite a ton of 2-gap DTs from their 3-4 days? Pass rush is not their skill set. So, overall point still stands: You tried to list 10 guys who were drafted really late and were little more than training camp fodder...

Semantics or not; your list sucked.

No, they can't draft players worth a **** who would ever rush the passer. Whether it's DEs DTs, or OLBs, over the last nine years, they've absolutely sucked at it, and that's why their defense sucks.

....yeah, if you limit it to 6th/7th round picks, the likes of which can be found on any team.

Oh, and if you ignore Chandler Jones; pretty much their only high pick spent on a pass-rusher due to all the vets they recently had on their roster.

NE was ranked 9th in pts last year and have average rank of 8.5 on D since '00. That's a defense that sucks? Or are you just being intentionally dense? I think its the latter.

shocked has convinced me that Bill Belichick might just be a good coach with a vague idea of what he's doing.