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|Zach| 11-15-2013 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 10189593)
I don't assume to know what trauma he faced.

Were you there?

And more so than just the football thing...the factors that could be involved around this are endless.

Obviously there is a mental health issue going on here. We can call people who are dealing with mental health pussies....that is certainly one way to go about it though that approach doesn't seem to give much credit to the possible complexity of a situation.

Donger 11-15-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10189600)
I honestly don't know. But if he's being medically treated, I generally defer to professionals who deal with mental health on a daily basis.

Or lawyers.

WhiteWhale 11-15-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 10189602)
No, I wasn't there. I trust you weren't either?

I don't presume to know his mental state.

Rausch 11-15-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10189595)
That is my attempt at disagreeing without being an ass. PTSD presents in many people, not just soldiers, though that's perceived by the public as the most common.

True.

He could have been raped by Incognito. Or repeatedly beaten, for years, by incognito. Or incognito could have raised Martin and told him his whole life he wasn't worth a $3it...

Cephalic Trauma 11-15-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 10189573)
One one hand, the hazing/bullying being alleged seems pretty minor compared to the triggers for PTSD I typically see (e.g., sexual/physical abuse, war, traumatic accidents). On the other, every person's brain reacts differently to the same experiences, and we don't know the full extent of the hazing.

Yeah, totally agree. I generally defer to professionals (like you, I take it?) who know this. He wouldn't be treated without reasonable cause, right?

Skyy God 11-15-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 10189582)
Are you suggesting that you think that the "trauma" this man faced is justification of a PTSD diagnosis?

It's pretty basic medicine/science. Everyone's brains are wired differently (by a combination of genetics and experiences), and trauma that wouldn't significantly impact you or I might have a outsized impact on a person that's already struggling with depression.

Eggshell theory, basically.

Donger 11-15-2013 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10189600)
I honestly don't know. But if he's being medically treated, I generally defer to professionals who deal with mental health on a daily basis.

You mentioned NIHM earlier:

PTSD was first brought to public attention in relation to war veterans, but it can result from a variety of traumatic incidents, such as mugging, rape, torture, being kidnapped or held captive, child abuse, car accidents, train wrecks, plane crashes, bombings, or natural disasters such as floods or earthquakes.

Does anyone here think this man suffered anything like the above?

WhiteWhale 11-15-2013 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 10189603)
And more so than just the football thing...the factors that could be involved around this are endless.

Obviously there is a mental health issue going on here. We can call people who are dealing with mental health pussies....that is certainly one way to go about it though that approach doesn't seem to give much credit to the possible complexity of a situation.

Many on CP are an expert in shit they know nothing about. You could see a carpenter argue about law with a lawyer insisting the whole time the lawyer 'doesn't know what he's talking about'.

That's just how the internet is.

LoneWolf 11-15-2013 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 10189580)
I'm pretty sure the resident med student is making the latter point.

It was just confusing since the previous poster actually said that the "only soldiers" line was a clear exaggeration. My wife is a licensed therapist who has treated and is treating several patients that suffer from PTSD. What is being reported happening to Martin seems mild to those of us on the outside, but how situations affect different people varies greatly.

Cephalic Trauma 11-15-2013 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 10189604)
Or lawyers.

Good medical professionals don't allow anyone to dictate how they practice. They answer to a standard of care.

Donger 11-15-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 10189613)
It's pretty basic medicine/science. Everyone's brains are wired differently (by a combination of genetics and experiences), and trauma that wouldn't significantly impact you or I might have a outsized impact on a person that's already struggling with depression.

Eggshell theory, basically.

Sure, I understand that. If he has an already weak mind, that's fine. And he clearly belonged no where near a bunch of alpha males hitting each other.

LoneWolf 11-15-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 10189614)
You mentioned NIHM earlier:

PTSD was first brought to public attention in relation to war veterans, but it can result from a variety of traumatic incidents, such as mugging, rape, torture, being kidnapped or held captive, child abuse, car accidents, train wrecks, plane crashes, bombings, or natural disasters such as floods or earthquakes.

Does anyone here think this man suffered anything like the above?

That list is not an entire encapsulation of what can cause PTSD. There just examples.

crazycoffey 11-15-2013 12:25 PM

PTSD? **** you Martin, **** you. This is turning into a PR battle, ugly one. Oh yeah, **** you Martin.

Donger 11-15-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10189622)
Good medical professionals don't allow anyone to dictate how they practice. They answer to a standard of care.

I've known a few of each stripe. We don't know which Martin has.

KCUnited 11-15-2013 12:26 PM

Sounds like the soft tissue damage of mental illness.


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