If he doesn't get in because there are better players, then fine. But he for sure should be ahead of some of these guys (homerism aside).

But.... Only if he finishes his career with a different team.

You don't think Derrick Brooks is deserving? He was, admittedly, a bit before the time that I legitimately watched football every Sunday, but I remember him being very, very good.

Guard is a really tough position to quantify. I mean, what stats are there to support your decision ?

You could say the same for LTs as well.

As someone mentioned, he had an amazing string of consecutive starts, Pro Bowl appearances, and All-Pro nominations.

I'm fine with Brooks, but he was not a better football player than Will Shields.

If Will Shields is better than every other player who made it in, save maybe Walter Jones.

Brooks is borderline, IMO. But I think the standard for the HOF should be a lot higher than it is.

is the difference maker really winning? playoffs? super bowls? That's the only thing that seperates guys like Derrick Brooks and Aeneas Williams from Will Shields

they were carried to a Super Bowl and Shields was not.

Agreed, I hear what you are sayin'. Guess I would point to 223 consecutive starts. Not sure where that is all-time but its gotta be up there.

I disagree. There are plenty of punters better than Guy. He is the classic example of stat padding.

Brooks was a huge part of the Bucs defensive turnaround... played in several big playoff games and won a Super Bowl. That's the difference.

It's kind of weird he got in right away and DT didn't... not sure that's fair. But they were complete opposites as players so it's hard to compare. DT was all rush, no coverage... Brooks was no rush, all world in coverage.

12 NFL pro-bowls, Walter Payton NFL player of the year and NFL all decade team from the 90's should be a good enough measuring stick.

Will Shields got ****ed.

Williams was even declining when he went to St. Louis and moved to safety, so he doesn't even have that many high-level seasons.

Was anyone ever afraid of playing him? Did you think when we'd play Arizona "Well, they might suck but they've got Aeneas Williams". I don't get it.

Bull ****ing shit. Ray Guy wasn't any better than Jerrel Wilson, and probably wasn't even as good.

It's mostly winning Super Bowls. Very good players with Super Bowl hardware will have an advantage over very good players without.