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Saccopoo 03-09-2014 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10475368)
I would rather get a veteran safety. I do t trust any rookie vs manning next year

I'd agree, with the exception that Dix has played free safety in a system that effectively is what he'd see/be asked to do at his position under Sutton with the Chiefs.

There is definitely less of a transition period for Dix than any other rookie safety for the Chiefs defense, IMO.

Direckshun 03-09-2014 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10475349)
I'd argue that there are no elite QB's in this draft, but there is definitely an elite, generational talent at DE.

Like I said, you want to be the guy who takes Blake Bortles over Jadeveon Clowney?

That's the kind of shit that will haunt you for the rest of your life.

You'll be demonized for eternity.

Which is why I'd take Manziel or Bridgewater over Clowney, if I were the Texans. Without hesitation.

Direckshun 03-09-2014 01:56 PM

I don't think Clinton-Dix is some great tackler, but if the biggest weakness on my single-high free safety is that he's weak against the run, I'll take it.

RealSNR 03-09-2014 02:10 PM

Stale QBs who don't win shit can stink up a franchise pretty bad.

Schaub hasn't improved at all since his 2nd year as a starting QB for the Texans. He just had an absolutely awful season characterized by consecutive pick-6s and got benched in favor of Case Keenum.

They absolutely have to get him off the team. And when they do, they'll need a replacement. It's gotta be a QB there.

Saccopoo 03-09-2014 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10475417)
Which is why I'd take Manziel or Bridgewater over Clowney, if I were the Texans. Without hesitation.

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RealSNR 03-09-2014 02:30 PM

Sac, how would you go about Houston's QB situation? Start Keenum? Start a rookie? Pick off one of the free agent dudes?

You just can't go from playoff winner to 2-14 with virtually the same roster and start the same QB that oversaw that downfall. You just can't.

Mugsy 03-09-2014 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10475482)
Sac, how would you go about Houston's QB situation? Start Keenum? Start a rookie? Pick off one of the free agent dudes?

You just can't go from playoff winner to 2-14 with virtually the same roster and start the same QB that oversaw that downfall. You just can't.

That #33 pick they've got is valuable. They might just take Clowney and trade back into the first. I've been keeping my fingers crossed that KC just might be the suitor in that situation. I really could see Manziel falling in the draft. However, I don't think he'll make it past San Francisco. He would be perfect there and Harabaugh would want him. KC won't ask for as much as some the other teams in the bottom of the first because we need picks. It's a longshot but I could see it happening.

milkman 03-09-2014 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugsy (Post 10475580)
That #33 pick they've got is valuable. They might just take Clowney and trade back into the first. I've been keeping my fingers crossed that KC just might be the suitor in that situation. I really could see Manziel falling in the draft. However, I don't think he'll make it past San Francisco. He would be perfect there and Harabaugh would want him. KC won't ask for as much as some the other teams in the bottom of the first because we need picks. It's a longshot but I could see it happening.

Seriously?

San Francisco?

Yeah, I don't think so.

OldSchool 03-09-2014 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10475584)
Seriously?

San Francisco?

Yeah, I don't think so.

SF is taking Garoppolo in the 1st, lol. Jk, it would just be hilarious if they did though.

Saccopoo 03-09-2014 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10475482)
Sac, how would you go about Houston's QB situation? Start Keenum? Start a rookie? Pick off one of the free agent dudes?

You just can't go from playoff winner to 2-14 with virtually the same roster and start the same QB that oversaw that downfall. You just can't.

Honestly, I don't know what you do.

You might be able to chalk it up to just a weird ass anomaly type of season that ended up with the head coach stroking it and subsequently getting replaced/retired.

I know Schaub isn't the answer, but I don't think Bortles or Bridgewater are either. Manziel is tempting, but that's a team that's ready to win it all right now. A team that really, in all honesty, has to win right now. You don't get many shots at it in terms of player talent and groupings as the Texans have right now.

They've got the best defensive player in football, a solid if unspectactular LB corps, a top three OT, good receivers, etc. It's a solid team. You can't expect a Russell Wilson type of impact from a rookie QB. That was the exception versus the norm.

I think that you go into the season with a renewed sense of hope based on the 2012 season and just wipe the weird ass 2013 off the memory banks.

You hope that Schaub regains what he had versus succumbs to what just was and that Keenum builds off his experience from last season.

I know that you don't pass on generational talent, especially at the pass rush position for what looks to be an average QB lot outside of Manziel (and who the hell knows what you end up with there when it's all said and done - the guy could be Fran Tarkenton or he could be Akili Smith...you just don't know). Pass rush, elite pass rush, is second only to the QB position, and guys of Clowney's potential are just as rare as franchise level QB's. It's like the Colts passing on Andrew Luck for Trent Richardson. (Though it's funny that they ended up with him anyway.)

If I'm the Texans, I pick Clowney and then take Derek Carr in the second if he's still available. I think Carr is on the same general level as Bridgewater and would give the Texans a solid option at that point. Garrapollo would be an alternate here.

If I still didn't pick one there, I'd hope for the fourth round miracle and draft AJ McCarron, who I think has a chance to be a pretty good QB in the NFL. He'd fit the Texans rather well actually, is used to big game settings and has been very productive. I think he's got the potential of someone like Nick Foles if given the chance in terms of being successful if matched with the right team.

But I wouldn't pass on Clowney for Bridgewater or Bortles. No way, no how. Pass rush is far too important and Clowney is far too good of a prospect at the pass rush position. Getting pressure off Watt would reap immediate dividends regardless of what Clowney does as a rookie stats wise.

Nope. In my mind, you'd be ****ing reeruned passing on a generational pass rusher for a guy who projects to no better than a middle of the pack QB at best.

Mugsy 03-09-2014 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10475584)
Seriously?

San Francisco?

Yeah, I don't think so.

Their back up is Colt McCoy.

Kapernick wants a ton of money and regressed last year.

Manziel is perfect for that offense.

San Francisco has two second round picks.

They could totally take Johnny Football if he fell to them.

kccrow 03-09-2014 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10475385)
I don't know what you've been watching, but when I watched this game this past season, I thought he was really fundamentally solid, even commenting during the game that "that's the type of tackling that I wish Kendrick Lewis could do."

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I think Dix is pretty freaking sound all the way around.

It's not that I don't like Pryor. I think he's a good safety prospect, but he's short, isn't very long, and we've already got a much more athletic and bigger and better guy manning the strong safety/front box in Berry.

Dix is two inches taller, has longer arms and better hips and feet than Pryor while being just as fast.

I watched him miss tackles, and get some tackles he definitely won't in the NFL. I appreciate the video because he shows a few things he does wrong constantly. He routinely drops his head when he tackles and that's led to whiffs. See 2:02 and 2:50 of your video. He takes guys on up high often, where he'll get blown up. See the first play of your video. He also drag tackles from the side alot, which won't fly in the NFL. I may have overstated myself a bit, but he's by no means a "good" tackler. He's below average. I should have probably said that. A bad tackler is Bennett Jackson from Notre Dame. But what skews my opinion of Dix more is that I don't think he's as good in coverage as people make him out to be. He's good in man coverage, for sure. He does, at times, make some really good plays on the ball. Where I've seen him struggle is in deep zone, which is essentially the place everyone wants him to play in KC. You watch that A&M game and you see him in the same positions we saw Lewis last year, and that scares the crap out of me. I don't know that you can rely on him as a single-high. I think he fits best in a cover-2. I think, in terms of a deep zone safety that can play the ball, you'll be hard pressed to beat Ed Reynolds of Stanford, but he is a worse tackler than Dix. Its hard to find that perfect blend of range and tackling ability. Best prospect in that regard, if you were to ask me, is Jimmie Ward of NIU. He's the top safety on my board for KC. I respect the opinions on Dix, he's going to fit well for a team. I don't think he fits for KC though. I'm leery.

OldSchool 03-09-2014 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 10475674)
I watched him miss tackles, and get some tackles he definitely won't in the NFL. I appreciate the video because he shows a few things he does wrong constantly. He routinely drops his head when he tackles and that's led to whiffs. See 2:02 and 2:50 of your video. He takes guys on up high often, where he'll get blown up. See the first play of your video. He also drag tackles from the side alot, which won't fly in the NFL. I may have overstated myself a bit, but he's by no means a "good" tackler. He's below average. I should have probably said that. A bad tackler is Bennett Jackson from Notre Dame. But what skews my opinion of Dix more is that I don't think he's as good in coverage as people make him out to be. He's good in man coverage, for sure. He does, at times, make some really good plays on the ball. Where I've seen him struggle is in deep zone, which is essentially the place everyone wants him to play in KC. You watch that A&M game and you see him in the same positions we saw Lewis last year, and that scares the crap out of me. I don't know that you can rely on him as a single-high. I think he fits best in a cover-2. I think, in terms of a deep zone safety that can play the ball, you'll be hard pressed to beat Ed Reynolds of Stanford, but he is a worse tackler than Dix. Its hard to find that perfect blend of range and tackling ability. Best prospect in that regard, if you were to ask me, is Jimmie Ward of NIU. He's the top safety on my board for KC. I respect the opinions on Dix, he's going to fit well for a team. I don't think he fits for KC though. I'm leery.

I'm really high on Ward as well. Out of everyone, he reminds me the most of Earl Thomas. Plus his 4.4 times at his pro-day and great 38" vert with 10'6" broad jump to confirm his explosive power just further cements him ahead of Dix for me. Way better test numbers and better on film, IMO.

Easy 6 03-09-2014 06:04 PM

I could certainly live with the consensus best safety in this draft at #1, been saying all along that I want a 4-2 ratio defense to offense... this would be a great start towards that.

Between Commings and Dix we're likely to have that base well covered.

Berry/Abdullah, Commings/Dix... yeah, works for me.

Direckshun 03-09-2014 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10475741)
I'm really high on Ward as well. Out of everyone, he reminds me the most of Earl Thomas. Plus his 4.4 times at his pro-day and great 38" vert with 10'6" broad jump to confirm his explosive power just further cements him ahead of Dix for me. Way better test numbers and better on film, IMO.

Can you link me to Wards Pro Day info?


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