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O.city 11-13-2014 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11107933)
Owens is "supposed" to be the 4th or 5th cb and IMO, Fleming has played better than Owens.

That said, it just all depends on matchups but I'd rather see Fleming than Owens. But the defense can have multiple looks now that Berry's healthy and Parker has proven to be an outstanding cornerback and safety.

I don't know if Fleming could play the Nickel cb role in the alot. I'd rather see Gaines do it myself but I the k I remember seeing he's hurt

DaneMcCloud 11-13-2014 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11108141)
I don't know if Fleming could play the Nickel cb role in the alot. I'd rather see Gaines do it myself but I the k I remember seeing he's hurt

Gaines has been opposite Smith.

If everyone is healthy by playoff time, the Chiefs secondary will be very, very good with Smith, Gaines, Fleming, Cooper, Owens, Parker, Berry and Coleman.

O.city 11-13-2014 03:32 PM

I think Gaines quickness would be utilized well by playing the nickel, but he's probably to inexperienced.

The Franchise 11-13-2014 03:36 PM

There's no way that we dump all of those WRs and then insert 2-3 rookies into the situation. Reid won't throw that many rookies into the rotation when they don't know the offense.

Direckshun 11-13-2014 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11108156)
There's no way that we dump all of those WRs and then insert 2-3 rookies into the situation. Reid won't throw that many rookies into the rotation when they don't know the offense.

May not have a choice.

I'm starting to think the Chiefs keep Bowe AND Avery and start to play DAT at WR a ton more, running actual, you know, routes.

Still think it's possible they land a 1st round WR, however.

kccrow 11-13-2014 07:19 PM

Run, I"m not cutting McKnight, I'm choosing not to re-sign him. He's a low salary guy, and I'm going to be wrong on a few of those I'm sure.

As for Catapano... if KC drafts a youngster and re-signs the guys I have outlined, he's going to have a tough go making the team. It may be a position they don't draft if they can re-sign both Bailey and Vickerson. I'm hung up on that. I want to see some youth development there instead of a constant rotation of low-level free agents.

As for the draft slotting, that has a ways to go. I'm currently seeing Carter slotted in the 2nd. That may change. He also needs to declare for any of it to matter, but I bet he will.

I'm very concerned about the CB position. It isn't like it is settled. Sean Smith continues to get more expensive, and until this year he has severely underperformed. He's having a solid year though. Dorsey, so far, appears to draft to replace guys who's caps are getting too big (Fisher for Albert, Ford for Hali). This year my money is on WR for Bowe or CB for Smith, or both. I strongly believe those are the positions with the highest probability of being drafted in the 1st two rounds.

I could live with Carter/Diggs, or something like that too. I'm not boxing myself into a select few players yet, that's a long ways off.

chiefzilla1501 11-13-2014 07:33 PM

Cutting way too many guys. Paying Donnie Avery a few million isn't a bad thing. I wouldn't cut Fasano just to save $2M. And guys like McGlynn... he's still valuable roster depth. DJ? He's still a surprisingly good value even at his age.

The Chiefs don't have to take haircuts to keep their team intact. And knowing Dorsey/Reid, I don't think they'll be shy about paying good money to keep players in KC.

If you worry about your short-term cap, you just slot a few contracts where the cap hit doesn't hit you big until 2016.

kccrow 11-13-2014 08:38 PM

The Chiefs have 20 free agents... I don't get the "you have too many cuts" part. I cut 8 in order to re-sign 12, leaving a net loss of 16 players, many are low-end contracts and 9 of "those 16" are currently taking roster spots because of players on IR. I say "those 16" because I actually chose to keep some guys replacing those on IR and cut some guys on IR. This leaves a net loss of 7 players. The Chiefs should have 11 draft picks, and a cap situation that allows them to sign some low-end free agents. Why are there "too many cuts?" Or, is it that you just don't agree with the players cut?

Many here have an attachment to Derrick Johnson. He is a very solid ILB, no doubt about it. However, he will not likely be the same player he was due to the Achilles going into the final year of a contract in which there is no guaranteed money and would save the Chiefs better than a 1/3 the money it will take to retain Justin Houston. He's a cut that might have to happen. Same goes for DeVito. You could, of course choose to cut Hali to save Johnson and DeVito. You could cut Hali and save either Johnson or DeVito and then also save Fasano and Avery. There are options, but this forces you to play a guy in Dee Ford that looks nowhere close to ready, you lose a very solid rush linebacker in Hali that is a leader and an A+ effort player, and you are retaining 1 or 2 guys that may not ever be able to play the game at the level they did before. It really doesn't make all that much sense to me. Football is a business first. I think the goal is to reduce unknowns while retaining your best football players. I think Bailey, Vickerson, Mauga, and JMJ have shown that KC could move on without DeVito and DJ and allows the team to retain certain other key players, like Hali and Berry and re-sign others like Houston and Hudson.

RunKC 11-13-2014 09:18 PM

The Chiefs learned that losing pro bowl ILB's and Safeties are nowhere near as bad as losing pro bowl pass rushers.

O.city 11-13-2014 09:22 PM

Defense has played extremely well fundamental wise. Didn't do that last year.

chiefzilla1501 11-13-2014 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 11108835)
The Chiefs have 20 free agents... I don't get the "you have too many cuts" part. I cut 8 in order to re-sign 12, leaving a net loss of 16 players, many are low-end contracts and 9 of "those 16" are currently taking roster spots because of players on IR. I say "those 16" because I actually chose to keep some guys replacing those on IR and cut some guys on IR. This leaves a net loss of 7 players. The Chiefs should have 11 draft picks, and a cap situation that allows them to sign some low-end free agents. Why are there "too many cuts?" Or, is it that you just don't agree with the players cut?

Many here have an attachment to Derrick Johnson. He is a very solid ILB, no doubt about it. However, he will not likely be the same player he was due to the Achilles going into the final year of a contract in which there is no guaranteed money and would save the Chiefs better than a 1/3 the money it will take to retain Justin Houston. He's a cut that might have to happen. Same goes for DeVito. You could, of course choose to cut Hali to save Johnson and DeVito. You could cut Hali and save either Johnson or DeVito and then also save Fasano and Avery. There are options, but this forces you to play a guy in Dee Ford that looks nowhere close to ready, you lose a very solid rush linebacker in Hali that is a leader and an A+ effort player, and you are retaining 1 or 2 guys that may not ever be able to play the game at the level they did before. It really doesn't make all that much sense to me. Football is a business first. I think the goal is to reduce unknowns while retaining your best football players. I think Bailey, Vickerson, Mauga, and JMJ have shown that KC could move on without DeVito and DJ and allows the team to retain certain other key players, like Hali and Berry and re-sign others like Houston and Hudson.

Cutting guys because you have strong depth from starter to backup at that position, okay. Cutting Fasano and Avery without a replacement doesn't make sense. Cutting a value contract guy like DJ isn't the best move either. You don't have to cut guys to free up money for these guys. Cutting guys like McGlynn and McKnight... there's no need to do those things when they cost nothing to keep, and they're valuable bench depth.

The cap is going to go up next year and the Chiefs have a really clean cap in 2016. If you re-sign your guys in 2015, you can put the majority of the money into the signing bonus and wait for 2016 for their cap hit to really kick in. Cut players because they no longer fit what you want to do. The Chiefs next year aren't in a bad cap situation and don't have to make pressure cuts.

O.city 11-13-2014 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11108953)
Cutting guys because you have strong depth from starter to backup at that position, okay. Cutting Fasano and Avery without a replacement doesn't make sense. Cutting a value contract guy like DJ isn't the best move either. You don't have to cut guys to free up money for these guys. Cutting guys like McGlynn and McKnight... there's no need to do those things when they cost nothing to keep, and they're valuable bench depth.

The cap is going to go up next year and the Chiefs have a really clean cap in 2016. If you re-sign your guys in 2015, you can put the majority of the money into the signing bonus and wait for 2016 for their cap hit to really kick in. Cut players because they no longer fit what you want to do. The Chiefs next year aren't in a bad cap situation and don't have to make pressure cuts.

They also have to make room fort he 11 draft picks next year potentially.

Guys at the bottom of the roster are likely to get pushed down and bumped

O.city 11-13-2014 09:26 PM

And I'd look to move on from DJ because of the combination of injury, age, and salary

kccrow 11-13-2014 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11108953)
Cutting guys because you have strong depth from starter to backup at that position, okay. Cutting Fasano and Avery without a replacement doesn't make sense. Cutting a value contract guy like DJ isn't the best move either. You don't have to cut guys to free up money for these guys. Cutting guys like McGlynn and McKnight... there's no need to do those things when they cost nothing to keep, and they're valuable bench depth.

The cap is going to go up next year and the Chiefs have a really clean cap in 2016. If you re-sign your guys in 2015, you can put the majority of the money into the signing bonus and wait for 2016 for their cap hit to really kick in. Cut players because they no longer fit what you want to do. The Chiefs next year aren't in a bad cap situation and don't have to make pressure cuts.

zilla... McGlynn and McKnight are free agents at the end of the year. They'd also have to be re-signed. Neither are good enough to warrant it in my opinion. Maybe bringing McKnight back to camp, but McGlynn sucks ass.

The Chiefs are notin a good cap position to re-sign free agents. They don't have much space after the increase is taken into account. It does go up, reportedly to 140 million, which I outlined in the original post. As it sits they have less than 5 million in space without re-signing anyone.

DaneMcCloud 11-13-2014 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 11109341)
The Chiefs are notin a good cap position to re-sign free agents. They don't have much space after the increase is taken into account. It does go up, reportedly to 140 million, which I outlined in the original post. As it sits they have less than 5 million in space without re-signing anyone.

This is silly. The Chiefs will either restructure the contracts of Hali, Berry and Johnson or they'll save $23 million by cutting them.

It's highly unlikely that DeVito and Fasano return, which will save nearly $8 million. Daniel and Bowe will be asked to restructure, I doubt Avery's around and it's not inconceivable to see Sean Smith extended and his cap hit lowered.

Dorsey will create plenty of cap space.


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