Yes. The D isn't going to win the games in a vacuum. Above average QB play absolutely makes this a 10-12 game winner.

But Smith would still suck.

I backed Smith. I expected huge things from Smith this year. All he's done is prove every single negative thing said about him exactly correct. As KC_Lee broke down, the excuses he had coming into this season no longer wash.

Throw out the record: Smith is playing like a bad NFL quarterback. He can't drive the football, he won't stay in the pocket to deliver the pass, he's watching the rush as badly as he ever has and his accuracy has regressed to the point that he's missed 2 or 3 both of the last two weeks that were simple dumps or screens. He's been incapable of consistently hitting a simple 5 yard swing pass.

He's bad. I'm not sitting here blaming our record on him - I'm speaking to his performance in a vacuum. He's been a bad quarterback and there's simply no reason to keep trying to prop him up.

I love how a better record makes 52 players simultaneously ascendant, . . except the jittery QB behind a shitty o-line.

If Alex is no better a QB with a better record, the D is no better a squad with a better record.

Mentally broken units simultaneously resolve their mental problems in the blink of an eye, but a mentally broken QB is FOREVER!!

He had a clean pocket and Maclin streaking for a 90 yard TD...he threw the ball OOB. People want to act like Rodgers gets a shot at that throw 5 times a game but he doesn't - Rodgers gets that shot once or twice a game...he just connects on them. And that's all it takes in today's NFL; one or two big plays can change everything.

Smith never makes the difference making play. Ever. Rodgers hits 'em all. Flacco and Eli hit enough of them to win. Bad quarterbacks virtually always fail on them. Whether it's a bomb to a streaking Maclin or just a simple out route 15 yards downfield to Wilson - when there's a play to be made, Smith doesn't make it.

So you ignored everything I said there and simply parroted your same bullshit?

100 percent of pressure allowed on a qb isn't on the offensive line. Seems that's not realized here

If those people are still fans after the 2016 season, it's the Chiefs who will have gotten their wish.

Looking at team game single positions 'in a vacuum' is what's bullshit, especially when you assume synergy for some positions and discount it entirely for others.

Truly, I realize that a lot of people see me as an Alex apologist. I'm not. I'm just trying to get people to apply their butthurt evenly.

****, we're a 1/2 step away from blaming moldy hot dogs in the concession stands over vendor despondence over QB performance.

I understand, QB is THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION IN CIVILIZATION!!!WTFBBQ!!SMURFANAL!!!

It's still a team game.

The defense isn't mentally broken though. They've lost two leads in games that shouldn't have ever been to that point and held a team to 16 points and lost.

A lot is his fault, sadly the whole team sucks this year.

Berry, Hali, Johnson got old.. Coupled with Sutton's bad gameplanning, refusing to alter gameplans after a half. The defense looks lost.

Then the defense gets zero help from the offense. The offense cannot score points, sustain drives, crap 3rd down conversions. This is the combination of bad playcalling from Reid, bad oline and Alex taking forever to decide to check down.

Literally every team just needs the same plan that is easy to do. Keep everything in front of you. Alex cannot complete deep throws. So just defend the short game, you can defend the run and pass from this easily, even moreso with Charles out.

The team is a joke, lead by their leaders Smith and Reid.

Baby Lee still doesn't get how much a shitty QB brings down an entire team.

Sometimes that shitty QB can have a successful ground-and-pound running game behind him and still produce enough wins to be a successful playoff team.

When that running game isn't there (or in Andy's case, he just refuses to lean on it in spite of his QB's limitations) then you see the awful shit show performances that Alex has been putting up against bottom feeder teams like the Bears and Vikings.

It's a team game, yes. To a certain extent.

When it's not, then yes, it IS all about the shitty QB.

Has no QB ever came back from Mental issues with the game Drew Brees is the only QB I can think of who has changed his mentality

I can't speak for everyone, but for me a 1st round QB isn't about 2 more wins in 2015 or 2016. 1st round QB is an investment in long-term success (2017-2025, if we are lucky). The big argument for me is that top talent QBs are so rare that you have to take them when you have an opportunity. If you don't have a top talent QB, you need dedicate resources each year into finding one because without one you are going nowhere. 1st round QB is the first step of many to becoming a contender.

Our shitty offense on par with the 6-0 Broncos. As is the 2-5 49ers.

Berry has been great this year. He looks fine.

DJ and hali, yes, they're done.

Reid picked Alex so in the end I'm guessing he sinks for that choice. But i don't think the play calling has been near the issue as the qb has been