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I'd imagine they felt like shit, too. They have/had every right to hate Frontiere and the NFL.

Also, your claim of St. Louis not being a good football city is bullshit.

The city just ****ing offered to pay up to build a second stadium with public money in less than 25 years and supported a team that had only 4 winning seasons and 5 playoff appearances in 21 seasons. Hell, I think the football Cardinals were more beloved in St. Louis than the Rams were.
Bidwell left because the city wouldn't play ball with him. He wanted to stay in St. Louis.

If you're going to claim St. Louis isn't a football city, can I claim the same regarding LA which lost 2 football teams as well(3 if you want to include the Chargers)?

The Rams sold out the Coliseum for the first 30 years they were in Los Angeles. Frontiere moved them to Anaheim, which isn't Los Angeles, nor is it in Los Angeles County.

The Rams were a great team in the 80's. It wasn't until the early 90's that attendance dropped due to the fact that Frontiere was trying to get out of her Anaheim deal and of course, jumped to St. Louis.

The Rams are back home, where they belong.

And yes, the St. Louis is a shitty football town. The Cardinals were awful and the attendance was crap. As soon as the Rams started faltering, the crowds disappeared.

Furthermore, the city only offered to build a stadium once it was readily apparent that Kroenke was planning to move but regardless, Kroenke was moving them back to Los Angeles.

The Rams sold out every game in St. Louis from 1995 to the second last home game in 2006. Then after they, went 15-65(worst 5 year stretch in NFL history) while Kroenke became majority owner. Then, the smoke about the team moving didn't really happen until 2013 when the Rams won arbitration due to a stupid term the city politicians gave the Rams when they negotiated the lease.

Speaking as someone who went to the 16th game of the season in 2011 when they were 2-13 and starting a 3rd string QB during that game, I'm fully aware of the attendance. But I think every city aside from Cleveland would see an attendance drop if prolonged losing occurred.

Also, that reminds me. NEITHER SAN DIEGO OR OAKLAND AT THE TIME OFFERED PUBLIC FUNDING FOR A STADIUM. And they both kept their teams. How is that not BS?

Are we really having a pissing match about cities now? :spock:

If the NFL ever returns to St. Louis(which I don't think it will for the foreseeable future and if it ever does it won't be for 20+ years), it needs to be as an expansion team.

The city loves the Blues due in part to being truly a team that's always called St. Louis home. If the expansion bid didn't get ****ed up and went to Jacksonville, I'm pretty sure the NFL would still be in St. Louis.

It's not over for either city.

If the stadium referendum doesn't get on the November ballot or it's defeated, the Chargers will likely move to Los Angeles.

The Raiders are on a year to year lease. There's no way Oakland or Alameda County will ever back a publicly funded stadium so either Raiders end up in Las Vegas or in Los Angeles, if the Chargers decline.

I think the Raiders end up in Vegas and the Chargers go to LA. I don't see SD passing the referendum(sorry Buck :( ).

And yet Clark kissing the NFL's ass like that, and being some kind of "voice of reason" hero during the negotiations a few years ago, among other things... never seems to get his football team any favorable calls or coverage

Well, once the Chiefs win something of note, that will change.

Until then...

Because it's easy to root for a winner like the Broncos and it's hard to root for a team that only wins a playoff game every 20 years or so? Think about it. Losers gonna lose. Winners gonna win.

By that logic, they're all destined to become Patriots fans.

St. Louis fans that don't already have any sort of KC sympathy will be Colts, Packers, Bears or Cowboys fans.

Most of the Rams fans I know hate the Royals and all of us "bandwagon" fans so they're not going to start magically rooting for the team that hasn't had all that much more success than the Rams have had as of late.

Good on Mr. Donovan on trying to make his boss some more money, but maybe he should focus on making the experience leaving the TSC parking lot less of a slow-motion **** scene.

I'm going to STL this weekend. I don't care if they want to be Chiefs fans or not. We really don't need their support. They won't care about the Chiefs, just like we don't care about the Blues. No biggie, each city has its own teams. I'm OK with that.

Ironically the Patriots were close to moving to St. Louis in 1993.