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That was a detailed take, Laz... and also completely full of shit

I only kid :D

I share some of those same concerns, but would take exception to a few

1) no reason to think we cant go man to man outside, Gaines still needs some seasoning no question and it will show early on... but his talent was clearly evident when given the chance

2) not sure how the D line is outnumbered, cant remember the last time we had such good looking depth along the line

3) if "Sutton continues to rotate the D line", how does that help teams wear us down? If anything, the defensive trench is one area that can really help keep us in the game this year

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12387657)

First off, that was a joke. Chiefshrink said that Ehinger would gain 45% strength in season.

LMAO

Nicolas looked really good against Seattle.

I haven't watched the 2nd half of the Rams game yet and IIRC, Nicolas didn't get any first half snaps.

Yeah I know. Was just wondering about Nicolas because I haven't really paid attention to him.

The only rookie in the front 7 that I pay close attention to is Jones. Jones looks great and it doesn't feel like a stretch to say that he will be our most disruptive interior pass rusher this year.

Maybe Jones' presence in the middle will help make up for a lack of Justin Houston early on this season.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12387633)

sure!! :D

1. When does Houston come back ... how healthy? How long before he's his impact self?
2. When is Hali going to breakdown completely because of age?
3. Dee Ford is a major piece this year, what does he do? Has looked terrible thus far ... T.E.R.R.B.L.E.
4. Young secondary is a mess, does anyone step-up? Get/stay healthy?
5. If 1 or more of the above does not turn out well, is Sutton able to adapt?

I'll be brutally honest here, in spite of the pitchforks and torches that will result.

I don't trust Sutton.

He needs too many things for his defense to be good(Goonther Cunninham anyone?) You can measure his adjustment by the week, if not months ... when good DC's adjust by the Half, if not by the drive. Anyone think that Sutton will know how to deal with an Edelmann situation yet? I don't. If he can't just assign a man to the Edelmann's of the league and move on, he's lost. If Sutton doesn't have a ready-made pass rush he is almost incapable of generating pressure through scheme.

Theoritical defensive breakdown by steps:

1. Houston is gone and Hali has finally lost that last step that doesn't let him turn the corner anymore. Our automatic pass rush is all but gone.

Result: Sutton goes into a shell, rushes 4 and drops everyone else DEEP in coverage to prevent the big play. Our corners our 15 yrds off LoS. Our MLBs are bailing hard back into pass coverage at the snap. Sutton has down all this before, it's not speculation to think he will do it again.

2. Our young cornerbacks struggle in their initial NFL playing time.

Result: Sutton can't go man-to-man on the outside except for with Peters. Teams just throw away from Peters all game long until he gets frustrated and tries to do too much. To adjust Sutton throws more and more safeties out there on the field in an umbrella zone coverage. Again, Sutton has reacted similarly in the past.

3. Because of 1 and 2 teams just decide to wear us out on defense. Dink and dunk passes and run the ball against our outnumbered Dline. With everyone pulled back in coverage our front 4 will going against 5 Oline and a TE and RB chip blocks. We will start dying by a 1000 cuts. 4th quarter or defense will be worn out especially if Sutton continues to refuse to rotate his Dlineman.

4. Because of 1,2 and 3 our conservative offense will be forced to try to score 35+ points a game without benefit of defensive turnovers or scores. That means Uber Conservative will need to stop throwing sideways. Alex Smith will have to start taking hit,taking chances and air it out. That will almost certainly result and a few more turnovers, if not a bunch. That leaves our defense in a short field situation more than normal.

All theoretical, but if that snowball begins to roll down hill it COULD get really ugly. There is precedence ... Sutton had done it before, Reid has done it before.

A full year of bend-don't-break defense that allows offenses to go the length of the field almost every drive. Counting on giving up field goals instead of touchdowns once they get to the red zone.

:(

(ps i typed this really fast so forgive my many typos and slip-ups please)

Sutton has proven that he can gameplan to beat average teams with a piece missing on defense. He did it 2014 when we lost DJ/DeVito/Berry and then 2015 when he lost Houston going a combined 15-7.

We don't play too many great offenses in the first half of the season, but there will be a few games like PIT, IND and New Orleans.

I'm not too big on Ford, but I do think Gaines will be a solid corner. The guy looked really good in the 2 1/2 games he played last year. Looked like he figured it out and the game slowed down for him.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12387613)

Every year with this team (and in particular the defense) has guys unexpectedly step up and grow into good players. Why should this year be any different?

Jones, Ford, Gaines, Nelson, March, White, Murray.

A couple of those guys will exceed expectations this year. Guaranteed.

I think we are obviously going to be worse early on, but as the season goes on, and when/if we get Houston back, it could be just as good.

I think Jones will end up being a big part of this defense down the road. Don't need him yet, though it would help. Gaines is the most likely to step up from that group. Ford isnt going to be a bust in my opinion but I don't think he will ever be able to be to number 1 option. His football iq seems low and I worry a lot if he is needed to produce as the number 1 if hali shows age.

Ford and somebody besides Gaines needs to grow up fast in the secondary. That's assuming gaines steps up. If gaines and Ford don't show they are ready this year it could be a very up and down season on defense.

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12387674)

Sutton continues to "REFUSE" to rotate the Dline.

Dline is outnumber if you drop the rest of the Defense into deep coverage. I tried to explain about corners lined 15+ yrds off the LoS. LBs bailing backwards at the snap. If all that happens then the defensive line is pretty much all by itself at the LoS. That really hurt our run defense and allows teams to throw short pass uncontested.

Reid will call it "keeping everything in front of us" but it still results in teams going from the 20 to the 20 too easily. Time of possession with be hurt and our redzone defense will be hanging on for dear life.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12387785)

Sutton can gamplan against average teams because they don't have QB's that can pick your apart all the way down the field.

I hope to hell that Gaines is everything that people think he is.

cross fingers

Going into the 2017 Draft, we will most likely draft defense the first 2 rounds which is comforting seeing how DB may still be a problem and with Berry potentially leaving. Our offense is stacked with talent for many years giving us that flexibility. With Jones we have that security blanket at DL and Howard will still be on the roster.

We can still wait til 2018 before going big on a QB if we don't happen to find that diamond in the rough.

Looked good today with Gaines back. Mostly vets on the field meant no more rookie mistakes like there were the past 2 weeks. Hopefully Russell, White, and Murray watch tape on how the vets play in this defense.

March has also had a nice day.

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12389459)

Yeah but take it with a grain of salt.

Bears starters have scored 11 points all preseason. They're gonna be horrible this year.

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12389459)

Just about everyone looked good today, except Fleming.

Let's hope it continues.

Jones, Ford, Nicolas and March all flashed today.

Ford's tackling and containment was much better this week, from what I recall.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12389551)

Yeah but take it with a grain of salt.

Bears starters have scored 11 points all preseason. They're gonna be horrible this year.

That's true too. But they have faced a pretty brutal Pre-season lineup.

Broncos D. Cutler went 3/4, 18 yards.

Patriots D. Cutler went 8/12, 83 yards.

Langford went 8 for 55 yards vs the Pats, 4 for 7 vs Broncos.

Cutler had a lot more snaps against our team and went 6/15 for 45 yards. The vast majority of the positive plays came against our backups.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12390044)

Jones, Ford, Nicolas and March all flashed today.

Ford's tackling and containment was much better this week, from what I recall.

Shhh can't say anything positive about Ford. It's not aloud on CP.

Chris Jones has th potential to be a dominant stud, thus making Poe's seeming decline less evident. If Jones truly ascends with ability tobe a force in both the passrush and run. It is my belief the Chiefs will use more 4 man front alignments and ultimately cut loose Poe and keep Bailey/Howard. Unless Dontari is loafing or not giving full effort then he's gone after this season.