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rico 08-23-2017 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 13030457)
Even if you disagree with that Smitty certainly is not bad like most of the idiot posters on CP claim he is.

Anyway I am taking everything Alex says about Mahomes with a grain of salt. Alex is a class act he is not going to talk bad about Mahomes. He praised Kaepernick as well and now look, Kaepernick can't even get signed as a backup.

When I see Mahomes during regular season light defenses up consistently then I will get excited. Until then... I refuse to get too excited about the guy.

So far Mahomes looks great but we are talking about 3-qrts in preseason... It doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

Ok Sandy...

So you respect Alex and consider him to be a class act, but you are taking what he says with a grain of salt? So apparently, you think this class act is purposely fabricating shit?

It's not totally mind boggling that Alex would say nice things about Kaep. Kaep is a better QB than Alex. That's why he beat Alex out for the spot. People can say what they want about Alex, but the guy doesn't seem to be a hater and does seem to have a grip on his own limitations.

Mav 08-23-2017 02:59 AM

Alex Smith praises Patrick Mahomes' ability to absorb coaching
 
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Originally Posted by rico (Post 13031733)
Ok Sandy...



So you respect Alex and consider him to be a class act, but you are taking what he says with a grain of salt? So apparently, you think this class act is purposely fabricating shit?



It's not totally mind boggling that Alex would say nice things about Kaep. Kaep is a better QB than Alex. That's why he beat Alex out for the spot. People can say what they want about Alex, but the guy doesn't seem to be a hater and does seem to have a grip on his own limitations.



Eh. Same situation. Mahomes and Kaepernick were both drafted by the head coach to be the guy. Alex was only a stop gap when they drafted Kaepernick, that was also the lockout offseason. Mahomes is Andy Reid's guy. Alex has no ego about him and will always do what's best for the team. There's no fake ness to him.

Kaepernick however was never under any circumstance a better qb than Alex. Better playmaker. Not a better qb.

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rico 08-23-2017 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mav (Post 13031765)
Eh. Same situation. Mahomes and Kaepernick were both drafted by the head coach to be the guy. Alex was only a stop gap when they drafted Kaepernick, that was also the lockout offseason. Mahomes is Andy Reid's guy. Alex has no ego about him and will always do what's best for the team. There's no fake ness to him.

Kaepernick however was never under any circumstance a better qb than Alex. Better playmaker. Not a better qb.

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Playmaking is kind of a huge part of being a good QB...isn't it?

cooper barrett 08-23-2017 04:29 AM

IMHO Alex11 needs a little less efficiency and a lot more effectiveness and that's what coaches are working with him on. Some play makers are loose cannons and Alex11 is being trained to loosen his cannon up in able to be a "play maker" Alex11 needs to not let it get loose but to get it out and have some fun with it. I think Alex11 may be fun to watch this year!!!!!!

I have never said Alex11 has played the last few years as a solid dependable lackluster QB, but he has been exactly that: Boring yet a highly rated QBs in the NFL. Oh and a real playoff game appearance ( I don't count wild cards)

As I recall SF drafted him as a 1st round #1 overall pic.
If you look at his stats he never had 1 season in SF that was better than at KC
He only played an average of 10 games a season with only 2 16 game seasons out of 8.
In KC he averages 15 1\2 games a season for 4 years
His passing is yardage and ratings overall are higher than ever at SF and his INT % are lower.

KC got more than they expected as he has preformed better for us than at SF.

This year the Chiefs are hitting Alex!! with a double down approach. " Do what we want. open up the field, use your weapons, and make plays, and win games." and "Oh and by the way, meet PMll, he wants your job, badly!"

I personally think that Alex 11 is not only going to play better because of the new approach to his passing game but for the simple reason that he is fighting for the quality of the remainder of his career.

I think that this is our year to win a SB for the first time since 1969. If Alex brings us 6-12 more points every game we should at least get past where we have been in the last 47 years. Getting a chance to play for the AFC title.

IMHO Alex11 will fight to get us there and if need be, we have PMll to take over. When the season is over we better hope that our #10 overall pic learns all he can so when he does step up he plays up to the hype for the next 10-15 years. I will certainly say looking at Alex11's stats at SF they didn't get from Smith what they paid for. Let's hope PMll is a better deal.





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Originally Posted by rico (Post 13031766)
Playmaking is kind of a huge part of being a good QB...isn't it?


rico 08-23-2017 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cooper barrett (Post 13031775)
IMHO Alex11 needs a little less efficiency and a lot more effectiveness and that's what coaches are working with him on. Some play makers are loose cannons and Alex11 is being trained to loosen his cannon up in able to be a "play maker" Alex11 needs to not let it get loose but to get it out and have some fun with it. I think Alex11 may be fun to watch this year!!!!!!

I have never said Alex11 has played the last few years as a solid dependable lackluster QB, but he has been exactly that: Boring yet a highly rated QBs in the NFL. Oh and a real playoff game appearance ( I don't count wild cards)

As I recall SF drafted him as a 1st round #1 overall pic.
If you look at his stats he never had 1 season in SF that was better than at KC
He only played an average of 10 games a season with only 2 16 game seasons out of 8.
In KC he averages 15 1\2 games a season for 4 years
His passing is yardage and ratings overall are higher than ever at SF and his INT % are lower.

KC got more than they expected as he has preformed better for us than at SF.

This year the Chiefs are hitting Alex!! with a double down approach. " Do what we want. open up the field, use your weapons, and make plays, and win games." and "Oh and by the way, meet PMll, he wants your job, badly!"

I personally think that Alex 11 is not only going to play better because of the new approach to his passing game but for the simple reason that he is fighting for the quality of the remainder of his career.

I think that this is our year to win a SB for the first time since 1969. If Alex brings us 6-12 more points every game we should at least get past where we have been in the last 47 years. Getting a chance to play for the AFC title.

IMHO Alex11 will fight to get us there and if need be, we have PMll to take over. When the season is over we better hope that our #10 overall pic learns all he can so when he does step up he plays up to the hype for the next 10-15 years. I will certainly say looking at Alex11's stats at SF they didn't get from Smith what they paid for. Let's hope PMll is a better deal.

I don't know...I look for him to be the same guy we've seen for years now. The same Alex with the same limitations and the same tendencies of becoming a chicken shit at inconvenient times. Not to mention, I thought that quote by Mahomes was a bit telling. When he said something like, "Alex always has a plan in place. Like when he sees the defense lined up a certain way he says he is going here with the ball. When the defense is lined up that way, he is going there with the ball." I think Mahomes meant it as a compliment aimed at Smith being efficient at reading defenses, but I thought his take was pretty telling as to why Smith seems to have moments of being so risk-averse and tends to shit his pants, presumably when things don't go as he "plans" before the snap. I don't think this is something Alex can change in his game...especially at this point in his career.

threebag 08-23-2017 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 13030099)
I've actually woke up every morning looking forward to go to work since drafting him.

Is your line of work automated or more hands on?

Reerun_KC 08-23-2017 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by threebag02 (Post 13031808)
Is your line of work automated or more hands on?

You looking for a job?

JohnV 08-23-2017 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rico (Post 13031766)
Playmaking is kind of a huge part of being a good QB...isn't it?

CK has him beat in playoff success, more 1000 yd receivers, better passer rating. He's a better runner and playmaker. CK took his job and the offensive YPG and PPG increased.

The career percentages also favor CK. TD%, int%, YPA, YPC all have CK ahead of Alex. Alex only has him beat in completion % thanks to rarely throwing the ball more than 10 yards. They can claim Alex is better at all these things we can't quantify, but the proof is in the results. The only thing Alex has been better at is being on a team that is miles better than CKs.

Keep reminding them CK is better. There is no bigger punch to the gut for an Alex fan than the cold hard facts of CK > Alex.

JoeyChuckles 08-23-2017 06:18 AM

Years from now we are going to look back on Alex and be so thankful of the way he helped Mahomes instead of brushing him off like he has every right to do. He's actually looking out for the long-term future of the Chiefs even though he won't be here.

rico 08-23-2017 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnV (Post 13031817)
CK has him beat in playoff success, more 1000 yd receivers, better passer rating. He's a better runner and playmaker. CK took his job and the offensive YPG and PPG increased.

The career percentages also favor CK. TD%, int%, YPA, YPC all have CK ahead of Alex. Alex only has him beat in completion % thanks to rarely throwing the ball more than 10 yards. They can claim Alex is better at all these things we can't quantify, but the proof is in the results. The only thing Alex has been better at is being on a team that is miles better than CKs.

Keep reminding them CK is better. There is no bigger punch to the gut for an Alex fan than the cold hard facts of CK > Alex.

2016: 16 TD's, 4 INT's in 12 games... with a terrible supporting cast... Colin Kaepernick.

Reerun_KC 08-23-2017 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeyChuckles (Post 13031818)
Years from now we are going to look back on Alex and be so thankful of the way he helped Mahomes instead of brushing him off like he has every right to do. He's actually looking out for the long-term future of the Chiefs even though he won't be here.

Not really.

loochy 08-23-2017 07:37 AM

You know what will happen?

Mahomes will play out his rookie deal, we will fail to resign him, and he'll walk to Denver and win multiple SBs.

Because Chiefs
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Sandy Vagina 08-23-2017 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rico (Post 13031829)
2016: 16 TD's, 4 INT's in 12 games... with a terrible supporting cast... Colin Kaepernick.

This is why stats are always tricky. I watched the SF games that didn't conflict with the KC ones. Kaep was quite good in the first half of games I watched.. but was the polar opposite in the 2nd half of the games... and the team lost.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/split...lin-kaepernick

Scroll down the link mid-way to see the first half/second half stats I mention. He was inaccurate and ineffective in so many 2nd halves.. but the numbers won't reflect that as much since they get blurred into the whole of the games.

I don't hate Kaep at all. I never blamed him for the decisions of the coaching/FO. I think he evolved into quite an idiot from the once humble person he was. I don't typically care for backyard baller types that refuse to improve on their weaknesses. But I don't hate, resent, or think of Kaep at all. I actually feel a little bad for him. He got over-hyped early on.. let it get to his sponge-head, and easily fell victim to some strong influences surrounding him. When he started out, it was easy to see the natural talent. Great arm, very fast straight-line speed.. moxie.

He's not a terrible QB.. but he's not good enough to look beyond all the off-field crap that comes with him.. and it's easy to doubt that his football dedication will ever reach an acceptable level.

Halfcan 08-23-2017 08:32 AM

This has turned into a shitty Kape / Alex debate thread. Some people just love reliving that moment again and again and again...

Pasta Little Brioni 08-23-2017 08:36 AM

This is what a true franchise QB looks like. Take note Denver fans.


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