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KCUnited 08-22-2017 02:38 PM

Winston seems like the type of guy that has one of those Zombie Outbreak Response Team spare tire covers on his Jeep.

TribalElder 08-22-2017 02:38 PM

Take him to jack stack!

Dayze 08-22-2017 02:39 PM

people should tell Winthston he should be grateful the NFL doesn't pay players strictly based on performance; because he'd be broke.

DJ's left nut 08-22-2017 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13030410)
Who the **** lets someone with this mindset head up a union?

In fairness, the NFLPA has had it broken off in them repeatedly. They play the most demanding and most damaging of the professional sports. They have the shortest careers and feel it the longest after they're done.

If I could be similarly successful at any of the 5 major sports (including soccer), I'd take all of them over football and wouldn't think twice about it.

As a reward, they get no guaranteed money. Worse still, in a league where, what, 1 in 3 players see real money after their rookie deals are over, the rookie scale has turned to shit on them as well.

Meanwhile, the NFL is making more money than every other major sport.

If I'm an NFL player, I'm absolutely looking for some serious changes and if that means finding an asshole like Winston to head your PA - so be it. The soft-shoes approach hasn't done shit for them.

I'm amazed at how much NFL owners have managed to bend over the NFLPA in comparison to every other professional athlete.

JakeF 08-22-2017 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13030454)
In fairness, the NFLPA has had it broken off in them repeatedly. They play the most demanding and most damaging of the professional sports. They have the shortest careers and feel it the longest after they're done.

If I could be similarly successful at any of the 5 major sports (including soccer), I'd take all of them over football and wouldn't think twice about it.

As a reward, they get no guaranteed money. Worse still, in a league where, what, 1 in 3 players see real money after their rookie deals are over, the rookie scale has turned to shit on them as well.

Meanwhile, the NFL is making more money than every other major sport.

If I'm an NFL player, I'm absolutely looking for some serious changes and if that means finding an asshole like Winston to head your PA - so be it. The soft-shoes approach hasn't done shit for them.

I'm amazed at how much NFL owners have managed to bend over the NFLPA in comparison to every other professional athlete.

That's about business, not about personal attacks etc. Do a better job of negotiating and you won't need to lash out like a 3 yr old throwing a tantrum.

Spott 08-22-2017 02:50 PM

I don't care if Winston dies in 20 years, either.

wazu 08-22-2017 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13030454)
In fairness, the NFLPA has had it broken off in them repeatedly. They play the most demanding and most damaging of the professional sports. They have the shortest careers and feel it the longest after they're done.

If I could be similarly successful at any of the 5 major sports (including soccer), I'd take all of them over football and wouldn't think twice about it.

As a reward, they get no guaranteed money. Worse still, in a league where, what, 1 in 3 players see real money after their rookie deals are over, the rookie scale has turned to shit on them as well.

Meanwhile, the NFL is making more money than every other major sport.

If I'm an NFL player, I'm absolutely looking for some serious changes and if that means finding an asshole like Winston to head your PA - so be it. The soft-shoes approach hasn't done shit for them.

I'm amazed at how much NFL owners have managed to bend over the NFLPA in comparison to every other professional athlete.

NFL players are free to play another sport if it's so much better.

Dayze 08-22-2017 02:52 PM

just make it where each game there's a pool of $x dollars per game.
Winners get 70% to divide up between the players.
Losers get 30% to divide up between the losing players.

LMAO

big nasty kcnut 08-22-2017 02:58 PM

**** him!

DJ's left nut 08-22-2017 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13030459)
That's about business, not about personal attacks etc. Do a better job of negotiating and you won't need to lash out like a 3 yr old throwing a tantrum.

It's anchoring.

The problem Winston faces is that he doesn't have an infinitely long timeline to work with here. His constituency is comprised of people who have Bentley payments to make and 4th and 5th houses to pay for as well as extremely short careers in which to make the money that allows them to do it.

Worse still, for the guys on the fringes, a single year out of work now doubles the pool of new labor (effectively 2 years worth of draftees) and thus greatly increases the odds of them just being out on the street, $500K poorer and with no long-term NFL prospects now.

So for the super rich that are spending like sailors on shore leave, they'll want that money to cover exorbitant expenses because they live like idiots. For the young guys on rookie deals who are looking at 3-5 year careers, they can't afford to lose 20% of their career and earning potential in a Pyrrhic victory.

There isn't an easy 'negotiation tactic' for Winston here because he doesn't really have a hammer. At least not one that's easily wielded. So he has to throw some haymakers in the hopes they land. Sooner or later his own constituency will lack the political will to allow him to follow through on any long-term leverage.

I damn sure don't envy him.

Rasputin 08-22-2017 02:59 PM

I wish bad things to happen to Matt Cassel for his comments.

DJ's left nut 08-22-2017 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 13030468)
NFL players are free to play another sport if it's so much better.

Certainly a nuanced, well-reasoned response.

notorious 08-22-2017 03:06 PM

A majority of fans were lining up to support the players, and this ****stick shits all over their good will.

DaneMcCloud 08-22-2017 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 13030468)
NFL players are free to play another sport if it's so much better.

More and more, guys are choosing baseball over football.

Be careful what you wish for...

DaneMcCloud 08-22-2017 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noa (Post 13030384)
Don't they get pensions and other benefits after retirement?

They only receive a pension if they've accrued three full seasons and it doesn't begin until age 55


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