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Kaepernick 08-31-2017 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 13047318)
Cousins looks to be the next Brees and the Skins have bungled his deal for years. That's why his $$$ will be so huge...


First, lets see what Cousins does without Desean Jackson and Pierre Garcon. He has benefitted drom having a stacked receiving corps for most of his short career. His #1 is now Jamison Crowder. We are talking Terrell Pryor and Josh Doctson replacing DJax and Garcon. Lets see what Cousins does with them before labeling him the next Drew Brees.

GloucesterChief 08-31-2017 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13047386)
Are they doing what Denver did?


"We will pay you 500k for the next two years. That will count against the cap, but after you retire and you will make around 15 million a year for 4 years as a consultant, which doesn't count against the cap!"

They are contracting with a sports medicine firm that Brady has half, if not majority, ownership off and giving that business all sorts of freebies.

Kaepernick 08-31-2017 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 13047389)

Quarterback Lives Matter.

RunKC 08-31-2017 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 13047389)

Tom Brady cap hits:

2016-$13.7 million
2017-$14 million

It's already happening

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2017 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13047439)
Tom Brady cap hits:

2016-$13.7 million
2017-$14 million

It's already happening

Brady's unique because his wife earns $20 million per year, so going after the biggest salary isn't his objective.

I don't think there's ever been an NFL player who's wife has earned more than $400 million dollars.

Rausch 08-31-2017 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 13047428)
First, lets see what Cousins does without Desean Jackson and Pierre Garcon.

He'll probably suck, like most QB's would with only one legit target (TE.)

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 13047428)
He has benefitted drom having a stacked receiving corps for most of his short career. His #1 is now Jamison Crowder. We are talking Terrell Pryor and Josh Doctson replacing DJax and Garcon. Lets see what Cousins does with them before labeling him the next Drew Brees.

So the true test of a QB is to give him only 1 legit option in the passing game and no running game?

So the Gunther/Herm Chiefs model is how you evaluate a QB?...

Chiefnj2 08-31-2017 11:16 AM

MMQB - Actual numbers that show nothing has changed in 20 years:

"I think what everyone needs to realize about quarterback contracts is that nothing’s changed. Quarterbacks at the top of the salary chain are going to make between 13 and 16 percent of the salary cap. That’s how it works. To prove it, I went back to 1997 to see the three highest-paid quarterbacks. And then I took the three highest-paid 20 years later. I found that, basically, we’re playing with Monopoly money. That’s the lesson here.


In 1997, the salary cap was $41.5 million. This year, the cap is $167 million, almost precisely four times what the cap was 20 years ago. Comparing the highest-paid passers then and now, in average salary:

Year QB Avg. Salary Pct. of Cap That Year
1997 Brett Favre $6.5 million 15.7%
1997 Troy Aikman $6.3 million 15.2%
1997 Drew Bledsoe $6.0 million 14.5%
2017 Matthew Stafford $25.3 million 15.1%
2017 Derek Carr $25.0 million 15.0%
2017 Andrew Luck $24.6 million 14.7%

So here’s what changed: nothing. What teams are paying quarterbacks, as a cut of the cap, is exactly what teams paid quarterbacks back in the day. The only argument you could make, and I would listen, is that Favre and Aikman, 20 years ago, had Super Bowl titles on their résumés. Stafford and Carr do not. That’s a valid point. But the bigger point, I think, is that quarterbacks get paid. They did then, they do now, and they will tomorrow."

Rausch 08-31-2017 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 13047484)
MMQB - Actual numbers that show nothing has changed in 20 years:

"I think what everyone needs to realize about quarterback contracts is that nothing’s changed. Quarterbacks at the top of the salary chain are going to make between 13 and 16 percent of the salary cap. That’s how it works. To prove it, I went back to 1997 to see the three highest-paid quarterbacks. And then I took the three highest-paid 20 years later. I found that, basically, we’re playing with Monopoly money. That’s the lesson here.


In 1997, the salary cap was $41.5 million. This year, the cap is $167 million, almost precisely four times what the cap was 20 years ago. Comparing the highest-paid passers then and now, in average salary:

Year QB Avg. Salary Pct. of Cap That Year
1997 Brett Favre $6.5 million 15.7%
1997 Troy Aikman $6.3 million 15.2%
1997 Drew Bledsoe $6.0 million 14.5%
2017 Matthew Stafford $25.3 million 15.1%
2017 Derek Carr $25.0 million 15.0%
2017 Andrew Luck $24.6 million 14.7%

So here’s what changed: nothing.

Shocking.

Hell, I'd prefer to have the 32 owners run congress than what we currently have.

They'd actually come to an agreement eventually and get things done under a deadline...

Red Dawg 08-31-2017 11:28 AM

Has any QB ever had it easier than Brady? His division is never any good.

Coochie liquor 08-31-2017 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 13047518)
Has any QB ever had it easier than Brady? His division is never any good.

Even if one of the other teams in the division happen to have a good season, they're still not likely to take it from the best HC/QB combo of all time! But Brady and BB, can't do it forever (thank god)!!

keg in kc 08-31-2017 12:30 PM

Actually expected Stafford to get 30 mil a year.

The issue to me is more about how few upper echelon qb's there are right now, and how many of them are close to retirement age. There's a reason the Dolphins pulled Cutler out of the studio, and the argument could be made that he's an improvement over Tannehill.

BigRichard 08-31-2017 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13047366)
Let the team deal with it. It's their decision.


Imagine Indy with Manning, but he doesn't count against the cap. Imagine Denver, and he doesn't count against the cap.

That would allow them to acquire/keep 2 more elite players. Does that help league balance?


With Mahomes being a badass, a rule like this will help the Chiefs, but I still can't get behind it.

Let's not start sucking each others dicks quite yet...

notorious 08-31-2017 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 13047684)
Let's not start sucking each others dicks quite yet...

My name is Patrick Mahomes. I solve problems.

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Best22 08-31-2017 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 13047484)
MMQB - Actual numbers that show nothing has changed in 20 years:

"I think what everyone needs to realize about quarterback contracts is that nothing’s changed. Quarterbacks at the top of the salary chain are going to make between 13 and 16 percent of the salary cap. That’s how it works. To prove it, I went back to 1997 to see the three highest-paid quarterbacks. And then I took the three highest-paid 20 years later. I found that, basically, we’re playing with Monopoly money. That’s the lesson here.


In 1997, the salary cap was $41.5 million. This year, the cap is $167 million, almost precisely four times what the cap was 20 years ago. Comparing the highest-paid passers then and now, in average salary:

Year QB Avg. Salary Pct. of Cap That Year
1997 Brett Favre $6.5 million 15.7%
1997 Troy Aikman $6.3 million 15.2%
1997 Drew Bledsoe $6.0 million 14.5%
2017 Matthew Stafford $25.3 million 15.1%
2017 Derek Carr $25.0 million 15.0%
2017 Andrew Luck $24.6 million 14.7%

So here’s what changed: nothing. What teams are paying quarterbacks, as a cut of the cap, is exactly what teams paid quarterbacks back in the day. The only argument you could make, and I would listen, is that Favre and Aikman, 20 years ago, had Super Bowl titles on their résumés. Stafford and Carr do not. That’s a valid point. But the bigger point, I think, is that quarterbacks get paid. They did then, they do now, and they will tomorrow."

Even Bledsoe won an AFC title

Meanwhile, Carr and Stafford have as many playoff wins as the man in the street

alpha_omega 08-31-2017 02:26 PM

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There's nothing stopping them from playing their way into Tier 1. If you want Aaron Rodgers Money, play more like Aaron Rodgers.
This is the biggest problem with this proposed "solution".
That all sounds good in theory, but this is a team sport.


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