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jaa1025 01-11-2018 12:09 AM

If Sutton is still the DC next Monday he isn't going anywhere. I'd take just about anyone right now than Sutton and this defense.

Titty Meat 01-11-2018 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jaa1025 (Post 13353185)
If Sutton is still the DC next Monday he isn't going anywhere. I'd take just about anyone right now than Sutton and this defense.

I don't think he gets fired but this isn't true. It may depend on what happens with Steve Spagnolo.

chiefzilla1501 01-11-2018 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13353195)
I don't think he gets fired but this isn't true. It may depend on what happens with Steve Spagnolo.

That's entirely possible. I don't know how to feel about the guy. He's more aggressive than the Sean McDermotts of the world, but he just hasn't seemed to repeat the success of his absolutely loaded giants team. But the tree connection is strong on this one and it's definitely an upgrade. Like Zimmer, there's an actual reason why we wouldn't have pursued him just yet.

JakeF 01-11-2018 09:16 AM

Hiring a new DC would put his son's job at risk. I suppose Reid could make keep Britt on the payroll part of a prerequisite of getting the job. I doubt Reid makes any significant changes to the coaching staff.

chiefzilla1501 01-11-2018 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13353432)
Hiring a new DC would put his son's job at risk. I suppose Reid could make keep Britt on the payroll part of a prerequisite of getting the job. I doubt Reid makes any significant changes to the coaching staff.

I'm sure Andy will give his untouchables and I don't see any issue with Britt Reid being one of them. But thats why I floated Zimmer. He's worked with gibbs and Thomas before. I also think spagnuolo would be fine with the staff as is.

Chris Meck 01-11-2018 09:29 AM

Bailey, Jones, and Tanoh could fit fine as A gap attacking linemen. Houston as a RDE rush end ala Hali's earlier career would be fine and end the Houston in coverage fiasco. Ragland still fits as a thumper, but you're going to need a couple 'backers that can cover and/or blitz depending on the call. It's also worth noting-and has been said but not directly that you're rarely in your base defense much anymore as few teams line up in a traditional pro set at all, even on first down. In reality, nickel is probably used as much as your base.

JakeF 01-11-2018 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 13353451)
I'm sure Andy will give his untouchables and I don't see any issue with Britt Reid being one of them. But thats why I floated Zimmer. He's worked with gibbs and Thomas before. I also think spagnuolo would be fine with the staff as is.

Seems like the Defensive line took a gigantic dump in Britt's 2nd season. I'm not sure why people think Britt is any good.

chiefzilla1501 01-11-2018 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 13353456)
Bailey, Jones, and Tanoh could fit fine as A gap attacking linemen. Houston as a RDE rush end ala Hali's earlier career would be fine and end the Houston in coverage fiasco. Ragland still fits as a thumper, but you're going to need a couple 'backers that can cover and/or blitz depending on the call. It's also worth noting-and has been said but not directly that you're rarely in your base defense much anymore as few teams line up in a traditional pro set at all, even on first down. In reality, nickel is probably used as much as your base.

Yeah, I'm not overly worried about the front. But if Zimmer and spagnuolo are our most likely candidates (just total speculation, of course), those guys run a lot of double A gap blitz so our LB situation may need to change a bit. But in terms of coverages, feel like our secondary is plenty equipped to do it especially since Zimmer loves to press.

Chris Meck 01-11-2018 09:51 AM

I really think the biggest problem with the d-line is that nobody wants to be a ****ing space eater. You don't attack, you occupy a space so that the other team has to run around you, which allows the LB's to locate and flow to the ball. By the time you realize it's a pass play it's too late to mount much of a push. I imagine you'd be much more enthusiastic about attacking a gap and forcing the offense to deal with you rather than the other way around. It also asks for slightly different bodies; and at least up front I think we could have them already on board. 3-4, 4-3, 4-3 under, I don't think that matters all that much and we could literally use a mixture of all of that and to an extent already do considering how much nickel and dime we've been running. The difference is dictating to the offense rather than reacting to what they're doing.

JakeF 01-11-2018 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 13353495)
I really think the biggest problem with the d-line is that nobody wants to be a ****ing space eater. You don't attack, you occupy a space so that the other team has to run around you, which allows the LB's to locate and flow to the ball. By the time you realize it's a pass play it's too late to mount much of a push. I imagine you'd be much more enthusiastic about attacking a gap and forcing the offense to deal with you rather than the other way around. It also asks for slightly different bodies; and at least up front I think we could have them already on board. 3-4, 4-3, 4-3 under, I don't think that matters all that much and we could literally use a mixture of all of that and to an extent already do considering how much nickel and dime we've been running. The difference is dictating to the offense rather than reacting to what they're doing.

We signed Bennie Logan in free agency to be just that, a space eater.

Chris Meck 01-11-2018 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13353504)
We signed Bennie Logan in free agency to be just that, a space eater.

yup. Didn't work out so well.


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