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FringeNC 07-12-2019 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll (Post 14344675)
Actually, it may be this Colleen Nelson person:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">While some Tyreek Hill fans have been quick to proclaim his innocence, the recording released this week doesn&#39;t change the disturbing facts in this case. And the NFL shouldn&#39;t let the Chiefs wide receiver off with a slap on the wrist.<br>from <a href="https://twitter.com/KCStarOpinion?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KCStarOpinion</a> <a href="https://t.co/BFlKXse2xk">https://t.co/BFlKXse2xk</a></p>&mdash; Colleen Nelson (@ColleenMNelson) <a href="https://twitter.com/ColleenMNelson/status/1149668130303729664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Her tweets fit the tone of the article. Full SJW. Being chastised by these wanna-be theocrats is getting so old.

Eleazar 07-12-2019 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14344673)
So the full recording does make him look worse?

Gonna need an explanation on that one.
As they stated, he admitted in a courtroom that he was guilty of abusing her. The fact that he's going back on that testimony now that he's past the legal consequences and claiming that he never did anything wrong is a typical pattern of an abuser.

You may not like the Star pointing this out, and maybe Hill really has reformed since 2014, but it's still true that this is typical of an unreformed abuser.

Rain Man 07-12-2019 07:34 AM
The most sure way of telling if someone is guilty of something is to accuse them of it. If they deny it, then they're certainly guilty. It worked in Salem and it can work today.

RollChiefsRoll 07-12-2019 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 14344682)
As they stated, he admitted in a courtroom that he was guilty of abusing her. The fact that he's going back on that testimony now that he's past the legal consequences and claiming that he never did anything wrong is a typical pattern of an abuser.

You may not like the Star pointing this out, and maybe Hill really has reformed since 2014, but it's still true that this is typical of an unreformed abuser.
But what does saying that this is "a typical pattern of an abuser" without pointing out that people actually do plead guilty to things they did not do every single day in this country (take it from a criminal defense lawyer who has negotiated dozens of plea agreements with federal and state prosecutors) actually accomplish other than skewing the narrative in a potentially unfair direction?

OnTheWarpath15 07-12-2019 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 14344683)
The most sure way of telling if someone is guilty of something is to accuse them of it. If they deny it, then they're certainly guilty. It worked in Salem and it can work today.
LMAO

pugsnotdrugs19 07-12-2019 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 14344682)
As they stated, he admitted in a courtroom that he was guilty of abusing her. The fact that he's going back on that testimony now that he's past the legal consequences and claiming that he never did anything wrong is a typical pattern of an abuser.

You may not like the Star pointing this out, and maybe Hill really has reformed since 2014, but it's still true that this is typical of an unreformed abuser.
As if it’s that cut and dry.

The plea deal may be the only reason he got a chance in the NFL in the first place. Timing of everything was huge, no prison time, etc.

All I know is that when you’re sitting there and swearing on “everything you love” about something including your kid, and the other person has no response, I listen up. Maybe that’s not that big of a deal to Tyreek, but for me personally, I’m not saying that before a lie.

OnTheWarpath15 07-12-2019 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14344688)
As if it’s that cut and dry.

The plea deal may be the only reason he got a chance in the NFL in the first place. Timing of everything was huge, no prison time, etc.

All I know is that when you’re sitting there and swearing on “everything you love” about something including your kid, and the other person has no response, I listen up. Maybe that’s not that big of a deal to Tyreek, but for me personally, I’m not saying that before a lie.
And he's saying this 5 years after the fact, without knowledge he's being recorded.

Eleazar 07-12-2019 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll (Post 14344684)
But what does saying that this is "a typical pattern of an abuser" without pointing out that people actually do plead guilty to things they did not do every single day in this country (take it from a criminal defense lawyer who has negotiated dozens of plea agreements with federal and state prosecutors) actually accomplish other than skewing the narrative in a potentially unfair direction?
He admitted in a court of law that he was guilty of the accusations. He didn't enter an alford plea, he didn't plead no contest, he plead guilty. Any attempt you make to say that he wasn't guilty opposes his own statements in a court of law to the contrary.

tredadda 07-12-2019 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 14344678)
The Star has planted itself in a far more honorable position than the bleating goats of Chiefs Planet. Their editorial board has my respect.
Stunning that you feel the way you do on this issue being a Broncos fan and all. ROFL

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-12-2019 07:39 AM
That just does it! I'm stopping semen delivery to their office and they'll be forced to revert back to gargling with Listerine!

Hammock Parties 07-12-2019 07:40 AM
Preparing a massive twitter nuke. LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/ClayWendler?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ClayWendler</a> You know what must be done. <a href="https://t.co/y0kGLbVgVv">pic.twitter.com/y0kGLbVgVv</a></p>&mdash; Jon Dorsy �� (@JonDorsyGM) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonDorsyGM/status/1149646195406458880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2019</a></blockquote>
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RollChiefsRoll 07-12-2019 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 14344692)
He admitted in a court of law that he was guilty of the accusations. He didn't enter an alford plea, he didn't plead no contest, he plead guilty. Any attempt you make to say that he wasn't guilty opposes his own statements in a court of law to the contrary.
I never said he didn't. I merely pointed out--correctly--that folks often plead guilty to charges in court when they didn't do what prosecutors allege they did. There are myriad reasons for that, as I'm sure you're aware.

OnTheWarpath15 07-12-2019 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 14344692)
He admitted in a court of law that he was guilty of the accusations. He didn't enter an alford plea, he didn't plead no contest, he plead guilty. Any attempt you make to say that he wasn't guilty opposes his own statements in a court of law to the contrary.
I don't see many people saying he's 100% innocent. I think people truly don't know anymore.

However, it does appear that he did what he had to do to not only stay out of prison, but to continue his football career.

Take your chances with a white jury in Oklahoma, or accept a plea offer that lets you continue your life's dream?

I mean, it's a pretty obvious choice. I think people are just asking the Star to consider the possibility, instead of furthering the narrative that he's a monster just because he denies it 5 years later.

While being unknowingly recorded.

Hammock Parties 07-12-2019 07:44 AM
Make your voice heard. You are the consumer. Newspapers exist to serve the public. When they begin to serve an agenda, it can, should and is affecting their business.

https://i.imgur.com/j8OTdiM.png

First, you want to reach out to Tony Berg, the President and Publisher of the KC Star. He is easily reachable at [email protected] or [email protected].

Second, you will want to contact Dan Schaub, the Corporate Director of Audience Development at McClatchy. He is easily reachable at [email protected].

Third, you can reach out to Kevin McClatchy, the Chairman of McClatchy. He is easily reachable at [email protected] or [email protected].

Anyone else to loop into this?

Fish 07-12-2019 07:46 AM
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On the tape, we heard Hill threaten the mother of his children with physical violence: “You need to be scared of me, too, dumb bitch.” He berates and belittles, calls her “bro” and “bitch” and of course, claims she ruined his life.
Anybody notice how they changed the supposed quote? They added "Dumb" in the bolded quote where it's never appeared before.

Sloppy journalism. **** these clowns.


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