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bigjosh 02-17-2021 05:59 PM

Saying hardman and dk are interchangeable is a joke.

Dk has way more physical talent, size, ball tracking ability and ability to catch contested passes.

Hardman may be quicker in and out of breaks, but thats probably one of the only things he does better than metcalf.

If we had dk, we would have two legit number 1 receivers and the best TE in the game.

Coochie liquor 02-17-2021 07:39 PM

Let’s see how Hardman does after a real offseason and learning before we call him a bust.

Gary Cooper 02-18-2021 11:03 AM

Wasn't he the one that lined up in the neutral zone on the field goal?

Game was 10-3 at that time. They take the points off the board and make it 14-3 with a TD instead. Big moment in the game.

Bl00dyBizkitz 02-18-2021 11:11 AM

He's got good stats and he's on the perfect team to maximize his talent.

But his mental mistakes just kinda negate a lot of that progress.

OKchiefs 02-18-2021 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 15555585)
He's got good stats and he's on the perfect team to maximize his talent.

But his mental mistakes just kinda negate a lot of that progress.

This.

Look beyond the stats. Sure, his numbers are alright for a #3 or #4 option on the team.

Just look at his most recent game. It's pretty damn obvious the team had no faith in him catching punts. He's more likely to fumble the punt, fair catch it at the 5 yard line, or try and return when he should fair catch and get blown up than actually do something positive.

On offense he still is little more than a gadget player. He had a good game or two during the year, but in the Super Bowl he was absolutely lost. He hasn't been on the same page all year with Mahomes. That's on Hardman, not Mahomes.

Any of Metcalf, Diontae Johnson, or McLaurin would all be getting talked about as a good option for the #2 spot this year if they hadn't already locked it down. Hardman will possibly never be anything better than a #3 receiver and gadget player.

It's not the end of the world, but let's not try to make Hardman out to be more than he is. There were multiple better receivers available, not just Metcalf.

KChiefs1 02-18-2021 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JudasRising20 (Post 15555558)
Wasn't he the one that lined up in the neutral zone on the field goal?

Game was 10-3 at that time. They take the points off the board and make it 14-3 with a TD instead. Big moment in the game.

Hardman is a moron...fast but a moron.

htismaqe 02-18-2021 11:22 AM

McLaurin is literally the definition of #1 WR by default.

McLaurin wouldn't have come close to that kind of production in KC, sitting in the pecking order behind everybody else.

Deberg_1990 02-18-2021 11:25 AM

He is what he is. A decent #2-3 WR.

He will never be a star. Not every guy can be a star at the NFL level.

I’m ok with him for now.

Bl00dyBizkitz 02-18-2021 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15555619)
Hardman is a moron...fast but a moron.

Yeah I subscribe to this. He's just kinda stupid, and it shows on the field.

OKchiefs 02-18-2021 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15555620)
McLaurin is literally the definition of #1 WR by default.

McLaurin wouldn't have come close to that kind of production in KC, sitting in the pecking order behind everybody else.

I don't disagree. I know none of these other guys would be necessarily putting up the same stats here. But they all also have seemingly shown growth and as far as I know aren't making the same boneheaded mistakes almost 40 games into their NFL careers.

The way I phrased it is that each of them would probably have fans and coaches comfortable that they had the #2 receiver position locked down heading into 2021. As it is we're more likely to see Robinson, Watkins, Pringle, a rookie, or a FA line up at the #2 spot than Hardman in 2021.

htismaqe 02-18-2021 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 15555662)
I don't disagree. I know none of these other guys would be necessarily putting up the same stats here. But they all also have seemingly shown growth and as far as I know aren't making the same boneheaded mistakes almost 40 games into their NFL careers.

The way I phrased it is that each of them would probably have fans and coaches comfortable that they had the #2 receiver position locked down heading into 2021. As it is we're more likely to see Robinson, Watkins, Pringle, a rookie, or a FA line up at the #2 spot than Hardman in 2021.

The thing is, put Hardman in McLaurin's situation and McLaurin in KC and we might be having this conversation in reverse.

You can't just look at things in a vacuum. Hardman's development may be hindered by the team dynamic itself. We just don't know.

OKchiefs 02-18-2021 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15555668)
The thing is, put Hardman in McLaurin's situation and McLaurin in KC and we might be having this conversation in reverse.

You can't just look at things in a vacuum. Hardman's development may be hindered by the team dynamic itself. We just don't know.

A lot of conjecture there. Sure, there are a lot of unknown variables. What I can comfortably say is that KC has seemed to draft several receivers in recent years that simply aren't smart football players. Hardman is not an intelligent football player. Demarcus Robinson constantly makes mental errors on the field. I don't know if it's the receivers coach or just bad luck, but aside from Tyreek Hill we haven't seen a whole lot of growth and development from our receivers.

htismaqe 02-18-2021 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 15555677)
A lot of conjecture there. Sure, there are a lot of unknown variables. What I can comfortably say is that KC has seemed to draft several receivers in recent years that simply aren't smart football players. Hardman is not an intelligent football player. Demarcus Robinson constantly makes mental errors on the field. I don't know if it's the receivers coach or just bad luck, but aside from Tyreek Hill we haven't seen a whole lot of growth and development from our receivers.

Which suggests there might be something about the system that is an issue and not just Mecole Hardman. See what I'm getting at?

OKchiefs 02-18-2021 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15555682)
Which suggests there might be something about the system that is an issue and not just Mecole Hardman. See what I'm getting at?

I do see what you're saying, but the system isn't changing. There has to be more cerebral players available. It's not surprising that an incredibly young receiver without much history or experience at WR is still not showing much growth. I'd prefer in the future we place an emphasis on receivers with proven route running ability, at least when you're drafting in the first few rounds.

BWillie 02-18-2021 11:58 AM

Remember when we drafted him and I said it was a big mistake based on who else was available and that he was just a fast guy who played football. Yeah I member. You guys jumped down my throat because I didn't pump out the pure positivity that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.


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