Bang Bus and Milf hunter were all staples of the early 2000’s reality porn craze.

Rarely if ever, usually at grandparents', saw The Love Boat.

The one bright shining memory I have is Mr C., Tom Bosley, 'coming aboard' wearing a . . . . patchwork denim leisure suit.

Skin tight, too.

You found the wrong picture, that's Ursula the Sea Witch from "The Little Mermaid".

While I've grown to enjoy "Casablanca", I never saw the fascination with it. I've never been a fan of Humphrey Bogart's acting style and the dude looked 60 all his life even when playing a supposedly young guy. Ingrid Bergman is hotter than flame but in most of the movie she just looked like she was about to cry. Stylistically it doesn't do anything groundbreaking or amazing like "Citizen Kane". But then I remembered, we're seeing it through the distance of time. The film was made in 1942 and came out in January 1943. It was a movie ABOUT the war that was made and released DURING the war, when we didn't even know the outcome yet. Apparently (I think I read somewhere) in the nightclub scene where they out-sing the Germans a lot of those actors were people who really DID have to flee the Nazis. So maybe it's more about when it was made.

What always got me about Casablanca was Bogart and the name 'Rick' just didn't fit the face. My favorites with Bogart was of course the Caine Mutiny, but in that film which had so many great actors, it was more of ensemble cast with probably Van Johnson and Fred McMurray as the lead. Also hard to believe was Van Johnson was gay. He played a dinner theater in St. Pete in the 70's and I knew a server and she said, he had his boyfriend with him.

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As the lead I liked Bogart in A Lonely Place (1950) and Key Largo (1948) and in the same way you did, I've grown to like the Maltese Falcon, only because TCM shows it so often. Probably my all time favorite film is B&W, Sunset Blvd from 1950 with William Holden, it just draws me in whenever I see it.

Back to Love Boat, who would of believed Gopher would of become a US Representative.

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Wait. Are you saying that you've never seen the movie Casablanca?

I think it's the finest bit of war propaganda ever made.

It's in black and white. I can't do black and white.

Ah, that's too bad. I prefer the later B&W to the earlier color movies. Around that time (transition from color to B&W) the people who made those movies had a terrific understanding of lighting and how B&W film works while the later movies in color were garish and cartoonish to me by comparison. So for me Casablanca is a great example of a movie where the creators had really mastered their craft from a visual standpoint.

I don't have so much a division about B&W versus color, but I am much more invested in movies post what I call The Bonnie and Clyde Divide.

The shift from studio-styling with mid-Atlantic accents to French New Wave influence and verisimilitude.

The transition that saw us moving from Sound of Music, Oliver Twist, and Dr. Zhivago to The Graduate and The Godfather in a few short years.

I think those styles have their places and help tell a story by controlling the very reality that the story is based in. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, for me. Kubrick has what I think of as a very clean visual style that is more similar to something like The Sound Of Music from your list. That worked well in 2001 and the first part of Full Metal Jacket. Both space ships and Boot Camps are artificially clean environments. But it fell through for me as Full Metal Jacket moved out into the 'real world' and then fell flat during scenes of combat. Too clean.

And I guess I should say too that I can live with black and white in the right circumstances. I'll watch and enjoy Abbott and Costello, for example.

The hard part for me is maybe an expansion on what Baby Lee said. The old movies just seem so fake to me. The actors enunciate their lines like it's a stage play, and a lot of them aren't very good actors to start with. And then on top of that you have lots of plot holes and bad characterizations, and it makes most of those movies unwatchable to me. I realize that there's an evolution and they were doing what was right at the time, but sheesh.

On that note, I had the TV on sometime last year when an old Elvis Presley movie came on. It was in color and I wasn't paying attention, so I left it on out of curiosity. I don't remember the name, but it involved cliff diving in Mexico. The plot was abominable, but it was mostly a vehicle for him singing, so it didn't matter that much. But there was one scene that made me chuckle. There was some big multi-tier outdoor restaurant on the cliff where people could watch the cliff divers, and Elvis started singing in the restaurant. All of the patrons were clapping along and grooving with the song, but there was one woman who had zero sense of rhythm. She was clapping completely out of sync with everyone else and clearly had no idea what a beat was.

First, I have no idea how a person can make it through a whole song like that, being off beat when 100 other people are on beat. You'd think at some point she'd get locked in by the sound. But that's beside the point. She stole the scene because I was watching her the whole time, wondering if she's ever straighten up and fly right. But she never did.

In a modern movie someone would have noticed and pulled her out of the scene. Or they would have digitally removed her in the editing process. But it was the 1950s or 1960s and no one cared. So she's there for posterity, clapping randomly like a baby seal in the background of Elivis' song.

Allow me to show you a breakdown of one of my favorite scenes in the movie:


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Man thats just... depressing as all hell, she used to be a cutie :huh:

I'm genuinely disappointed seeing you voice such a dumb opinion.