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ChiefsCountry 12-02-2021 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 15986058)
Well, the good news is that one of the worst commissioners in the history of sports will be managing this negotiation

Adam Silver is the worst commissioner and it's not even close

ChiefsCountry 12-02-2021 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 15986120)
Spin your numbers all you want, but teams are not on a level playing field, no where close. The next time the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox lose 100 games, let's talk...

100 loses in baseball equals a 6-10 season in the NFL and a 100 win season in baseball equals a 10-6 season in the NFL.

DaFace 12-02-2021 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 15986089)
I used to be a fan, but I'm tired of seeing big market teams in the WS every yar. Sure enough, teams like the 2014-5 Royals strike gold every blue moon, but LA, Atlanta, and the Yankees seem to get more than their fair share due to their payrolls. Until MLB establishes revenue sharing and a salary cap, it's just going to continue. Couple that with the average KC fan not being able to see a single game of the Royals without going to the ballpark or paying an arm and a leg for cable extra chanels --I say screw that.

Same (but for Colorado for me). I don't think it'll ever happen, but I'm surprised that the MLB thinks they make more money when it's dominated by big market teams all the time. I enjoy going to Rockies games, but it's sure hard to really get in to watching when they're constantly in the bottom.

BossChief 12-02-2021 09:55 AM

I lost all interest in baseball in 1994 when they went on strike mid season when Griffey Jr was on a run and had a chance to break the home run record without needing steroids to do it.

I see it this way…if you can’t figure out the business side of how to split up billions of dollars fairly during the offseason, you deserve for your golden goose to die. You’re making a choice to punish the fans for your greed.

**** baseball and it’s greed.

I was prepared to do the same thing with football if they started missing regular season games during the last CBA negotiations, too.

IowaHawkeyeChief 12-02-2021 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 15986144)
100 loses in baseball equals a 6-10 season in the NFL and a 100 win season in baseball equals a 10-6 season in the NFL.

Yes and in today's MLB, it is much much much harder for big market teams to lose 100 games with the economics involved. It's also much harder and rarely occurs for a 100 loss team to make the playoffs the next year.

alpha_omega 12-02-2021 10:07 AM

Huge story, but I'm having a hard time caring.

Why Not? 12-02-2021 10:11 AM

Will care a bit if the lockout is ongoing in late February. Until then, who cares?

DJ's left nut 12-02-2021 10:13 AM

They'll figure it out.

Owners aren't looking for a hard cap and players aren't looking for a significant change in FA rules. So the two things that could implode the whole smash aren't even on the table.

Meanwhile there was enough of a warning period that most of the major FAs have already signed so winter meetings weren't even necessary.

Much ado about nothing.

Vladimir_Kyrilytch 12-02-2021 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 15986056)
soccer for sure. there's constant action and it's over in a set 90 minutes.

Soccer is the best sport in the world. An american might think 'oh the ball went into the stands, that's a tv timeout and I'll have a chance to do tiktoks a bunch of times over. So this is fine.

But in soccer, the clock runs. It runs all the time. You dont get a tiktok time out. They grab the ball and the game continues. I absolutely love it. So do they.

I spent 2 months in England once. Ate more baked beans for breakfast than I ever would have expected.

They aren't into endless stoppages. Game will fail there. No englishman will accept 80% commercials during the "game". They laugh at us for that and they should

Rams Fan 12-02-2021 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15986193)
They'll figure it out.

Owners aren't looking for a hard cap and players aren't looking for a significant change in FA rules. So the two things that could implode the whole smash aren't even on the table.

Meanwhile there was enough of a warning period that most of the major FAs have already signed so winter meetings weren't even necessary.

Much ado about nothing.

There will be games missed.

The owners basically proposed a de facto cap with proposing implement a floor and lowering the ceiling for when the luxury tax occurs.

DJ's left nut 12-02-2021 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 15986201)
There will be games missed.

The owners basically proposed a de facto cap with proposing implement a floor and lowering the ceiling for when the luxury tax occurs.

I read they talked about raising the luxury tax ceiling but not by as much as the players preferred.

Rams Fan 12-02-2021 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15986205)
I read they talked about raising the luxury tax ceiling but not by as much as the players preferred.

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Proposed payroll minimum of $100 million per club funded by a 25% tax on payrolls above $180 million. On existing luxury tax structure, proposed raising threshold to $214 million in 2022, rising to $220 million in final season.
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The current rules have three luxury-tax tiers that include steeper penalties the higher a team's payroll climbs. The first tier takes effect at $210 million, with a 20% tax. The new proposal would reportedly keep the three tiers intact, and add a fourth, lower tier that begins at $180 million with a 25% tax. The penalties would increase from there with each tier.
https://www.si.com/mlb/2021/08/18/ml...xury-tax-mlbpa

Nope.

And that's pretty much a salary cap.

DJ's left nut 12-02-2021 10:44 AM

That was back in August, though.

Their most recent proposal is different:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some details: MLB offered to raise 1st luxury tax tier to $214m, peaking at $220m <br><br>MLBPA free agency proposal:<br>Year 1 of deal, no change, 6 years service to become FA<br>Years 2-3: 6 years—or if age 30 1/2 &amp; 5 years of service<br>Years 4-5: 6 years—or if age 29 1/2 &amp; 5 years service</p>&mdash; Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/1466169658625642498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 1, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They appear to have dropped the $180 million payroll minimum (though it seems odd that the MLBPA would have a problem with it; it's a re-allocation of money - that will end up being plowed into the floor and require those teams rolling $50 million payrolls to get more active in FA -- that should be HUGE for 'middle class' free agents).

Moreover, recent reports are that it's the arb and FA eligibility issues that are really the sticking points for the PA and MLB has come to them a little bit in some of those areas. Yes, they may have to come a little further, but it's not something I think the owners will dig their heels in on, especially if they can get the luxury tax stuff ironed out.

The lockout was designed to prevent what happened in 1994, when the players and owners sat on their asses too long and suddenly February was here and nobody had gotten serious. The lockout is an attempt to keep everyone at the table until a deal is done.

The owners aren't messing with guaranteed contracts or a hard cap - this will get resolved.

Bowser 12-02-2021 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by D.A.P. (Post 15986055)
Gun to your head: must watch one. Golf, soccer, baseball.

Golf. LPGA to be specific.

Rams Fan 12-02-2021 10:50 AM

I anticipate the players to cave in at some point. They'll probably get some middle ground on arbitration/free agency, but not a lot.


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