Closing window? If we draft like we have the last 3 years this window isn’t closing

Edit-3 years not 2

This team is kind of at a crossroads right now. It needs a lot of defensive help and an offense that could use some youth. Veach could absolutely nail this draft and we'd be fine but he's also had some shitty drafts before.

Okay, let me clarify. We KNOW, right now, that we have a couple of years of Kelce and Hill left. Even if the window isn't closing, the opportunity is RIGHT NOW.

There's no reason to forsake that opportunity for a future that isn't set in stone.

Furthermore, the last couple of drafts have been so good precisely because the Chiefs focused on practical picks and getting immediate impact.

You know, the opposite of drafting someone like Williams.

Travon Walker - please please PLEASE slip.

Deep fakes are getting pretty good these days. Anyone here good enough at that sort of thing to make a video of him using a scuba bask as a bong?

ROFL

He had one shitty draft. This is what he’s done since in terms of talent acquisition:

Players you’d consider giving a 2nd contract to:

Charvarious Ward
L’Jarious Sneed
Creed Humphrey
Nick Bolton
Trey Smith
Willie Gay (debatable but I’d do it)

Players who have been decent starters, but not stars:

Juan Thornhill
Rashad Fenton
Mecole Hardman
Derrick Nnadi

Players that are good depth:

Nick Allegretti
Tershawn Wharton
Mike Danna
Noah Gray (he’s gonna be good. Just scratching the surface this year)

Keep doing that and we’re good

How far does Walker need to fall to consider coming up to get him

You've established a solid narrative for why Veach has been nails as a GM. You won't see a single pick on there that even resembles using a 1st on Williams.

If you truly want him to "keep doing that", drafting Williams is the last thing he should, or will, do.

I think he actually has a solid shot.

His pass rush simply isn’t there yet, and I’m not convinced that teams are going to take him that high with guys like Johnson, Ojabo, and Karlaftis also likely ahead of him.

It really depends. FA is there to get your immediate value. I don’t think Williams is Dee Ford. There were serious concerns to Ford’s health before and his body frame was a problem.

If we got someone like Juju and then drafted him I’d be cool with it. Sometimes that’s worth it. Hell Kelce was out his entire rookie year and he’s been money every since.

It’s a case-by-case thing IMO. If the guy has star potential but is out for a year with an injury that is easily recoverable from, I’d take him no question.

This.

Look at the Titans with Jeffrey Simmons. There’s obviously risk, but you can seriously hit a grand slam.

Jeffrey Simmons didn't fall all the way to 30. Top tier talent is still top tier talent.

We're talking strictly draft....not talent acquisition.

2018 - One good player in Nnadi who has been decent as a starter.
2019 - Thornhill and Fenton are good but it took Fenton until this year to truly be utilized and Thornhill got injured (not on Veach). Allegretti is somewhere between depth and could be a low level starter.
2020 - CEH is meh and that was a first round pick. Gay and Sneed are above average and Danna is depth.
2021 - His best draft by far.

So yeah he's getting better but he's not immune to taking players that don't amount to shit. Drafting Williams at #30 isn't Veach's usual plan.

I’m just referring to taking a guy that has a serious injury and allowing them to basically RS.

Simmons plays a more premium position as an interior pass rusher, so of course he wasn’t falling out of the top 20.

I think it’s a bit different with Williams considering the position he plays and the depth at that position in the draft.

I agree that he likely doesn’t make it to 30 if he checks out medically, but if he makes it to 30 and the Chiefs take him, I’m not going to complain.