As I understand it... unless I owe $7500 at the end of the year, I'm not seeing $7500. If I so happen to get a return at the end of the year (which I usually do)... that $7500 turns into 0.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

You're wrong...kind of. It's a credit on your TAX LIABILITY, not your TAX REFUND. You pay taxes through the whole year through your paychecks, and that's what matters. The refund just settles up. To confirm, just look at your filed return to see what your "total tax" was (line 24 if you file a 1040). It will depend on your income, but if you're above ~$70k or so (for a household if that applies), you'll get all of it.

So to clarify with a specific example, I "owed" about $1500 when I filed my taxes this year, but I got the credit since my tax was much higher than that. In the end, they refunded me $6k.

Good to know, thank you!

Did that $210 part take into account the several thousand that you will put down?

That's why I get Toyotas. Low maintenance output based on my experience. But I don't drive that much anymore either. I go to the golf course and the grocery store..plus summer trail riding, camping, and light rock crawling.

I have a 2007 TRD FJ Cruiser..all black with roughly 150k miles on it. Had it 15 years and soon to be 16. I could unload it today for 25k...which is about 5k less than I paid for in late 2006, which is insane.

My new TRD Pro 4runner in lime green has a 1k miles on it. After not getting a new car for 15 years...I am blown away by some of the features that are standard on vehicles these days.

holy smokes...I might fill up twice a month....maybe. At least we all have options.

Agreed. That’s why I own Honda’s. Own 3 right now and and in my lifetime have owned about 4 others.

Does this change your mind about purchasing as opposed to leasing?

Had to get a rental car last week and got this. I love it. Very spacious in the back so the kids arent complaining. I wasnt sure about ever getting an EV but driving this has been lovely and Id strongly consider it now. The only drawback is I live out in the middle of nowhere on a private gravel road. There is a pretty steep hill and the front wheel drive does not like the combo of gravel and hill. I should try it in sport mode or something other then economy.
Oh I should add that I dont have an ev charger or anything. I plug it into a regular outlet in the garage. This charges slowly, trickle, and I get about 5 miles per hour plugged in and doesnt really keep up with the daily driving. That being said there are a lot of chargers out there in the wild and to charge from 20% to 90ish takes about 30 mins and about 5 bucks.

Not this time around. EV is still relatively new technology and the Niro is still in year 1 of gen 1. Nothing short of an absolute miracle would make me keep this car but I will want that sweet sweet, even if only short term, savings.

That said... don't deal with Kia in Manhattan. The sales manager there named Don is a ****ing asshole.

Don, if you happen to be a planeteer. I ****ing hate you dude.

While talking to a Bank of America loan dude I mentioned buying a new rig to Uber with. He well give you $ for anything but a Kia, lol.

I do own several Arrma Neroes but not a Kia, lol.

Holy shit what a ****ing ordeal this has been so far. Man oh man... their cars better function better than their employees do.

Most dealers I called didn't have the car. No worries there... that is understandable.

3 dealers had a "market price adjustment" markup of $3k that was not reflected on their websites. That annoyed me but whatever.

Then we get to Don at Manhattan Kia. I say again... **** THAT GUY. I literally got in a yelling match with that asshole because he constantly talked over me and did everything short of call me a liar in regards to Kia offering that lease option.

I then called Kia to confirm that this offer even existed because Don stated that the problem must be on Kia's side. That went absolutely nowhere after 2 hours.

I called another dealership (Anderson Kia in St. Joe) who had a car in stock and the dipshit there told me that I would have to come up with the $7,500 money up front from the tax rebate and I would get that back from the government later. I paused, reminded him that I don't own the car on a lease... the leasing company does therefore I don't get the rebate. I heard silence on the other end of the line and then "yeah, that's just how it is". *insert price is right fail horn* Not wanting to argue with yet another salesperson about this I simply thanked him and hung up.

I started calling dealerships in St. Louis and landed on Jim Butler Kia where I talked to a dude named Rex. I explained my situation:

* First I asked him if he had any Nero EVs and lucky for me... there is one coming on the truck and it arrives tomorrow or Monday.

* Second I asked him for his mobile number so I could text him the offer from Kia and explained that I have hit brick wall after brick wall on this and just needed to know if his dealership would honor the offer at the price I had built out. He read gave it a first glance and said it looked good, kept reading, then hit that same spot about the fed tax rebate. Asked me to hang on while he talked to the manager.

He comes back and tells me that it is solid, explained that the rebate offer was EXACTLY as I anticipated, and let me put down a deposit on the vehicle. We may get it as early as tomorrow and as late as Monday.

HUZZAH!!!!!!

If you are gonna get this car... **** every last dealership in Kansas City and the immediate surrounding area. Hit up Jim Butler KIA in St. Louis and ask for Rex.

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I will update this thread with either photos of the vehicle or a rant about how KIA ****ed me yet again.

Dealerships are really tough to work with right now due to all of the shortages, and I've found that most of them have very little idea of what to do with EVs. It's getting better, but it definitely requires knowing your shit.

Good luck on everything going through without a hitch!

Good for you for sticking to your guns.

This whole ev push is a joke, lol.

95% of households don't have sufficient wiring to charge one overnight.
Portable or out in the boonies chargers are powered by diesel generators.
Oh, and let's keep punching damns in the nw, lol.
Windmills have 20 yeaar expectations, non recyclable.
Entire w m farms power a town of 1300-1500. That's what the Vesta techs told me, lol.
Maintenance is high $$, crane rental boys, lol. And they look like shit all over out here.

There needs to be a balance yes, but I don't get it, lol.