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VAChief 03-29-2022 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16220994)
Wouldn't like it. You're basically forgoing the best value you got from trading Hill....to draft a WR who may or may not replace Hill.

You traded Tyreek Hill for Jameson Williams, two 4th round picks and a 6th? Color me ****ing unimpressed.

I would rather use our later picks to move up in the mid rounds on someone we like...there is just too much talent available in this draft to give away any of our top 3 round picks.

I would hate going back to two picks in the first round, especially on wide receiver where we have lots of options in rounds 2-4.

chiefforlife 03-29-2022 10:34 AM

I really dont want to trade up, I love having all these picks and believe staying put will add huge value to our team for years to come.

However, if theres a guy that I feel would make the biggest impact and come as close as possible to replacing Tyreek, its Jameson Williams!

We have the WRs to wait for him to contribute later in the season. It took Tyreek a year or two to really become what he was. Waiting half a season or even a full season is really a best case scenario in terms of replacing Tyreek. It could take years or maybe never.

We will never have a chance to draft a guy like this as long as Mahomes and Andy are here. I know its a risk because of the injury but it is the only reason we have a shot at him.

I am coming around to the idea of trading up but only for this guy!

BossChief 03-29-2022 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16221534)
Pure speculation.

Even the optimists think it's going to take 8 months AT LEAST to rehab. Which means he misses AT LEAST half the season.

And when you consider he's not going to get the full offseason program, he might not contribute at all in year 1.

Furthermore, NO draftee is "going to be a superstar" especially not a guy that was injured so recently. Yes, he has a good chance to be great but it's not guaranteed AT ALL.

Nothing in the draft is a guarantee. It’s all about risk reward. Jameson is a guy with legit superstar potential, though. That much is without question.

If KC moves up for him (which is possible) I’d hope it would be sending our first and next years third to move up…or this years first and second but getting a late third back.

htismaqe 03-29-2022 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16222376)
Nothing in the draft is a guarantee. It’s all about risk reward. Jameson is a guy with legit superstar potential, though. That much is without question.

If KC moves up for him (which is possible) I’d hope it would be sending our first and next years third to move up…or this years first and second but getting a late third back.

It's not just about risk and reward, it's also about opportunity cost, which you covered.

There's 2 things that I'm not super excited about in this draft or any draft:

1. Trading up and giving away value to zero in on one player and
2. Picking up players with injuries that prevent them from contributing right away.

With Williams, you're getting both. I simply don't like it. If they do it, I would understand why but I don't like it.

The Franchise 03-29-2022 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16222437)
It's not just about risk and reward, it's also about opportunity cost, which you covered.

There's 2 things that I'm not super excited about in this draft or any draft:

1. Trading up and giving away value to zero in on one player and
2. Picking up players with injuries that prevent them from contributing right away.

With Williams, you're getting both. I simply don't like it. If they do it, I would understand why but I don't like it.

The only injured player who I'd be okay with them taking a shot on would be David Ojabo. And that's at #30...with the caveat that they're taking another DE in the 2nd round.

Direckshun 03-29-2022 12:30 PM

I'm going to be repeating myself here, but a recent mock showed Jordan Davis at 17.

You trade up for Jordan Davis at 16. He's going to be a monster.

htismaqe 03-29-2022 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16222466)
I'm going to be repeating myself here, but a recent mock showed Jordan Davis at 17.

You trade up for Jordan Davis at 16. He's going to be a monster.

**** no.

kcbubb 03-29-2022 02:36 PM

After sleeping on it. I love this idea. Jameson has the highest floor and the highest ceiling for any wr in this draft coming out of bama with his skill set and athletic ability. He should be ready for the last half of the season and playoffs. And the draft is deep in the 2nd for dline. The move below fits well for what we need.

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 16221406)
My strategy would be to trade up and get jameson or burks. I’d prefer jameson. I’m assuming olave is gone. Get an edge at 30 And get an edge rusher and dt in the 2nd.

For example;

18th pick jameson with 29, earlier 3rd and 4th and a 4th in 2023

So, your 1st and 2nd rounds of the draft might look like this with the first trade and you still have the 3rd, 4th, 6th and 7ths.

18 jameson
30 ojabo
50 perrion winfrey
62 Sam Williams


BigRedChief 03-29-2022 04:59 PM

McShay was on ESPN saying the same thing. Give Philly or Pitt the Miami 1&2 rounders and go get Jameson.

His other point was the Chiefs don’t need 8 picks in the first 4 rounds. Leverage the draft capital to move up.

TambaBerry 03-29-2022 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16223106)
McShay was on ESPN saying the same thing. Give Philly or Pitt the Miami 1&2 rounders and go get Jameson.

**** that

kcbubb 03-29-2022 06:22 PM

Jeff Simmons went to the titans at 19 in 2019 and was a top ten guy before injury. Moving up to 18 might be a good spot to get jameson and is hopefully cheaper than moving up to 15.

Titty Meat 03-29-2022 06:32 PM

I like Jameson but I'm not trading up for him

Chieftain 03-29-2022 09:27 PM

Burks is a terrible pick. Guy can't run routes. I don't understand what people see in him? Pickens is another bad pick. Not worth even using a 3rd for him.
Jameson Williams and Garret Wilson are the only two legit receivers in this draft that Veach may to move up for. Otherwise, pick Dotson and be happy with that.
I am absolutely in favor of trading a 1st and our 2nd to get Williams. He is a game wrecker that could somewhat replace Hill's production, although not right away.
You would need to trade between the 15-19 range where I think he will be available.

Chris Meck 03-30-2022 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 16223450)
Burks is a terrible pick. Guy can't run routes. I don't understand what people see in him? Pickens is another bad pick. Not worth even using a 3rd for him.
Jameson Williams and Garret Wilson are the only two legit receivers in this draft that Veach may to move up for. Otherwise, pick Dotson and be happy with that.
I am absolutely in favor of trading a 1st and our 2nd to get Williams. He is a game wrecker that could somewhat replace Hill's production, although not right away.
You would need to trade between the 15-19 range where I think he will be available.

I disagree entirely with your take.

Chris Meck 03-30-2022 06:58 AM

Let me put it another way-historical perspective.

Aaron Rodgers won his Super Bowl with Greg Jennings and Donald Driver as his primary WR's.

Couldn't get it done with Davante Adams.

Know what I'm saying?

Maybe two GOOD WR's are > one great one.


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