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RunKC 03-30-2022 11:54 AM

This is why I think it’s the smart money on trading up a bit ahead of NE, GB and Buffalo for one of the top 5. One of those guys should be there at 20 or 21.

Probably a 3rd, 4th and additional 2023 4th gets a trade with the Steelers for 20.

WR is deep at the top unlike DE and DB that is deep with depth

htismaqe 03-30-2022 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16224295)
This is why I think it’s the smart money on trading up a bit ahead of NE, GB and Buffalo for one of the top 5. One of those guys should be there at 20 or 21.

Probably a 3rd, 4th and additional 2023 4th gets a trade with the Steelers for 20.

WR is deep at the top unlike DE and DB that is deep with depth

The WR class is shallow at the top. NONE of these guys would have been a top pick in last year's draft. They all have warts. It's really deep at the end of the 1st, top of the 2nd.

There's zero reason to trade up.

RunKC 03-30-2022 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16224298)
The WR class is shallow at the top. NONE of these guys would have been a top pick in last year's draft. They all have warts. It's really deep at the end of the 1st, top of the 2nd.

There's zero reason to trade up.

That’s an unfair comparison. No rookie WR except maybe Randy Moss was as good as Chase. He’s a unicorn.

And yes once you get past the first 5 you get to problems.

Pickens-nope. I’ve seen the route running and pro ready issues too many times with GA receivers
Watson-nope. I agree with DJ. He’s not a 1st rd talent. I don’t see the route running from him. He seems more athlete than football player
Dotson-nope. Way too slow laterally. Slower vertically than we thought. He doesn’t do well being jammed at the line.
Bell-pass. Way too slow

The one guy I really like is Skyy Moore but even now he seems like a slot receiver. Seems a little too small to be outside full time. That’s not what we need IMO.

TambaBerry 03-30-2022 12:06 PM

No way am I trading up for any wr. If I'm trading up it's for an edge.

htismaqe 03-30-2022 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16224312)
That’s an unfair comparison. No rookie WR except maybe Randy Moss was as good as Chase. He’s a unicorn.

And yes once you get past the first 5 you get to problems.

Pickens-nope. I’ve seen the route running and pro ready issues too many times with GA receivers
Watson-nope. I agree with DJ. He’s not a 1st rd talent. I don’t see the route running from him. He seems more athlete than football player
Dotson-nope. Way too slow laterally. Slower vertically than we thought. He doesn’t do well being jammed at the line.
Bell-pass. Way too slow

The one guy I really like is Skyy Moore but even now he seems like a slot receiver. Seems a little too small to be outside full time. That’s not what we need IMO.

Then take a WR in the 2nd. Because the separation between guys like Olave and guys like Watson isn't worth what it will take to trade up.

The answer to trading up is a definitive "no".

The Franchise 03-30-2022 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16224312)
That’s an unfair comparison. No rookie WR except maybe Randy Moss was as good as Chase. He’s a unicorn.

And yes once you get past the first 5 you get to problems.

Pickens-nope. I’ve seen the route running and pro ready issues too many times with GA receivers
Watson-nope. I agree with DJ. He’s not a 1st rd talent. I don’t see the route running from him. He seems more athlete than football player
Dotson-nope. Way too slow laterally. Slower vertically than we thought. He doesn’t do well being jammed at the line.
Bell-pass. Way too slow

The one guy I really like is Skyy Moore but even now he seems like a slot receiver. Seems a little too small to be outside full time. That’s not what we need IMO.

There is no written rule that we have to take a WR in Round 1. None of these guys is a Hill replacement. Find the one that best fits what you’re looking for and draft him.

htismaqe 03-30-2022 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224330)
There is no written rule that we have to take a WR in Round 1. None of these guys is a Hill replacement. Find the one that best fits what you’re looking for and draft him.

Exactly.

RunKC 03-30-2022 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224330)
There is no written rule that we have to take a WR in Round 1. None of these guys is a Hill replacement. Find the one that best fits what you’re looking for and draft him.

Agree 100%. IMO the best fit is one of the guys in the top 5.

You’ve got Juju, Hardman and MVP who are good complimentary players. They aren’t “the guy”. No we can’t replace Tyreek but you can get someone really good from that top 5.

I still believe Jameson Williams would kill it in this offense. He’s so ****ing good

The Franchise 03-30-2022 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16224337)
Agree 100%. IMO the best fit is one of the guys in the top 5.

You’ve got Juju, Hardman and MVP who are good complimentary players. They aren’t “the guy”. No we can’t replace Tyreek but you can get someone really good from that top 5.

I still believe Jameson Williams would kill it in this offense. He’s so ****ing good

Why couldn’t he beat out Wilson or Olave?

htismaqe 03-30-2022 12:27 PM

I'll be honest.

This draft is quickly becoming an Aaron Curry draft for me.

I'm getting to the point where I'm just sick of hearing about Jameson Williams.

Just being honest.

The Franchise 03-30-2022 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16224351)
I'll be honest.

This draft is quickly becoming an Aaron Curry draft for me.

I'm getting to the point where I'm just sick of hearing about Jameson Williams.

Just being honest.

Yep.

All of a sudden he's now a can't miss prospect. And it doesn't help that the media puts out these mock drafts with trade ups where we surrender all of this value to take him because "THE CHIEFS LOVE SPEED!".

RunKC 03-30-2022 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16224351)
I'll be honest.

This draft is quickly becoming an Aaron Curry draft for me.

I'm getting to the point where I'm just sick of hearing about Jameson Williams.

Just being honest.

There’s a big drop off after the first 5 IMO.

At DB it’s really deep. I really like the 2nd rd options at S and corner. DE has some really great depth.

Sam Williams, Arnold Ebiketie, Drake Jackson, Kingsley Enagbare.

I don’t see that from the WR group tbh

The Franchise 03-30-2022 12:34 PM

And one last thing about Jameson Williams. All I ever hear about the kid is how fast he is and how great he is at the deep ball.

Did mother****ers forget about last season and how that shit was taken away? Are you trying to tell me that somehow Williams on the Chiefs makes that go away when Hill couldn't?

duncan_idaho 03-30-2022 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224345)
Why couldn’t he beat out Wilson or Olave?

Wilson and Olave both got there the year before him and established themselves during his freshman season.

Williams was at least a part-time starter, as I recall, as a freshman. He had moments as a sophomore.

If I remember the timeline correctly, he transferred after Wilson and Olave announced they were coming back for another year.

It wasn't so much he couldn't beat them out, more that he was looking for a place where he would have fewer mouths to share with.

RunKC 03-30-2022 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16224363)
And one last thing about Jameson Williams. All I ever hear about the kid is how fast he is and how great he is at the deep ball.

Did mother****ers forget about last season and how that shit was taken away? Are you trying to tell me that somehow Williams on the Chiefs makes that go away when Hill couldn't?

Go check out Skyy Moore. Very good route runner, huge hands, good straight line speed. Looks pro ready. I like him but wouldn’t take him until 50


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