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Otter 04-02-2022 11:03 AM

9) Christian Watson, North Dakota State

Can probably fill in for Kelce in a pinch and a damn good WR to boot.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-02-2022 11:41 AM

I don't want to trade up at all. If anything I'd like a trade down to load up more 2's and 3's

While the rest of the AFCW has mortgaged their future to try and win Now I'm good with the next 5-10 year plan.

With Mahomes at QB we're guaranteed a playoff spot year in and year out.

kcbubb 04-02-2022 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16227325)
The one reason it doesn't concern me greatly is because I don't think Burks is really a downfield guy, especially not in this offense.

Very interesting. I still don’t think burks there at 29. And I know you don’t want to trade up. What do we do if burks is gone & the rest of the top 5 wr group? Watson in the first or get value later at wr? Seems to me that some are content with no wr1 type next year but a better group overall?

Chargem 04-03-2022 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 16229827)
Very interesting. I still don’t think burks there at 29. And I know you don’t want to trade up. What do we do if burks is gone & the rest of the top 5 wr group? Watson in the first or get value later at wr? Seems to me that some are content with no wr1 type next year but a better group overall?

What does a "WR1 type" even mean? I think whatever it means, its an outdated thought process. You just want 3 guys who can get open, because if you only have 1-2, a defense can scheme around them with double teams etc.

Kelce, JJSS, MVS, Hardman is enough receiving talent that the offense can be productive, you don't need a significant amount of production from a rookie WR to be a good team in 2022. There are also tons of receivers who don't go in the first round who turn out to be productive (Deebo, Claypool, AJ Brown, Chark all went in the 2nd, McLaurin, Gallup went in the 3rd, Renfrow went in the 5th). If a top receiver doesn't fall in the Chiefs lap in the 1st, that must push down another position group of need (DL, secondary) and there will be an opportunity to add talent in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

Offense is always more exciting, but I would not be the slightest bit worried or dissappointed if the first 4-5 picks made all go on improving the defense.

Best22 04-03-2022 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 16227320)
It seems to me that mahomes rarely throws passes that could be contested. PM seemed very concerned about turnovers and wanted to avoid tipped balls as the season progressed. I like burks but does it concern you that 63% of his downfield catches were contested?

Because he didn’t have any receivers that could win contested ball matchups. I mean Tyreek can catch a jump ball but that’s still a 5’8 receiver covered by a 6’0 DB, so there’s a lot of risk. He doesn’t have a Mike Williams type of receiver. If he did I’m sure he’d throw some contested balls. But Hill, Hardman, and Robinson isn’t a great group to be throwing 50/50 balls to

Best22 04-03-2022 03:33 AM

29: Best WR available
30: Best Edge available

50: Best DB available
62: Best DL available

94: Best WR/DB available depending on value
103: TE

In the 4th they can target a RB and also look into DL. 7th round you can take a flyer on an OL

This draft has me excited

duncan_idaho 04-03-2022 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 16229981)
29: Best WR available
30: Best Edge available

50: Best DB available
62: Best DL available

94: Best WR/DB available depending on value
103: TE

In the 4th they can target a RB and also look into DL. 7th round you can take a flyer on an OL

This draft has me excited


I think those first four pick, you have to be flexible at all of them like you indicate at 94.

Can’t lock in at one position per pick.

Chargem 04-03-2022 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16230009)
I think those first four pick, you have to be flexible at all of them like you indicate at 94.

Can’t lock in at one position per pick.

Agree - the only good thing about having so many needs is that you definitely shouldn't be locked in on positions like in the post you quote (although I'd argue you should never be locked in, regardless of needs).

SAGA45 04-03-2022 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 16229970)

Offense is always more exciting, but I would not be the slightest bit worried or dissappointed if the first 4-5 picks made all go on improving the defense.

Yep. There's quality depth at WR well into Day-3 and beyond if you know where to look.

Bowser 04-03-2022 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 16228768)
9) Christian Watson, North Dakota State

Can probably fill in for Kelce in a pinch and a damn good WR to boot.

I don't want to like Watson as I feel like he is a workout warrior of sorts that did it against inferior competition in college, but I keep getting drawn back to him. Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller said on NFL Radio that they love the kid after watching him practice and play in real time at the Senior Bowl. If he's sitting there at 50, do we take him (provided we haven't already taken a receiver or traded the pick)? It might be difficult not to.

Chargem 04-03-2022 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16230152)
I don't want to like Watson as I feel like he is a workout warrior of sorts that did it against inferior competition in college, but I keep getting drawn back to him. Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller said on NFL Radio that they love the kid after watching him practice and play in real time at the Senior Bowl. If he's sitting there at 50, do we take him (provided we haven't already taken a receiver or traded the pick)? It might be difficult not to.

I think I would take him at 50, I am starting to think he goes before that

OKchiefs 04-03-2022 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 16229970)
What does a "WR1 type" even mean? I think whatever it means, its an outdated thought process. You just want 3 guys who can get open, because if you only have 1-2, a defense can scheme around them with double teams etc.

Kelce, JJSS, MVS, Hardman is enough receiving talent that the offense can be productive, you don't need a significant amount of production from a rookie WR to be a good team in 2022. There are also tons of receivers who don't go in the first round who turn out to be productive (Deebo, Claypool, AJ Brown, Chark all went in the 2nd, McLaurin, Gallup went in the 3rd, Renfrow went in the 5th). If a top receiver doesn't fall in the Chiefs lap in the 1st, that must push down another position group of need (DL, secondary) and there will be an opportunity to add talent in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

Offense is always more exciting, but I would not be the slightest bit worried or dissappointed if the first 4-5 picks made all go on improving the defense.

Beyond 2022 KC has Jack and Shit at WR under contract. They have MVS and that's it, the roster is barren at the position after this year. While they don't absolutely NEED a WR to step up this year, they do NEED bodies long term. IMO WR is a position you should be drafting nearly every year. In the past 5 years the wide receivers KC have taken are Hardman, Powell, Tremon Smith, and Chesson. Powell may eventually develop into something (not counting on it), but until now Hardman is the only one that has stuck around. That's a 2nd round pick and then a bunch of late round fliers at the position. It's understandable that KC didn't invest significantly in the draft after getting both Hill and Robinson in 2016, but we're also seeing the results now of a lack of investment at the position.

I wouldn't force it in the 1st, but I also think KC should be prepared to move around in the 1st/2nd to get the guy(s) they want rather than just sitting there waiting for other teams to potentially jump them for the players they covet. If KC doesn't come out of the end of the 2nd round with a WR I would view that as a huge mistake.

staylor26 04-03-2022 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 16229981)
29: Best WR available
30: Best Edge available

50: Best DB available
62: Best DL available

94: Best WR/DB available depending on value
103: TE

In the 4th they can target a RB and also look into DL. 7th round you can take a flyer on an OL

This draft has me excited

Awful way to approach the draft.

kcbubb 04-03-2022 01:51 PM

Wr1 type means reasonable probability of big production like hill, Adams or Jefferson…. Can they produce big with pm in our offense. I’m not saying that we can’t find productive players late. I’m just looking for boom prospects like jefferson with that kind of potential. Most of the guys in the second or later have some flaws that bother me or have issues that drastically lower their ceiling. I’m not interested in solid contributors because I feel like we can find those in FA or even possibly with guys already on our roster like fountain or etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 16229970)
What does a "WR1 type" even mean? I think whatever it means, its an outdated thought process. You just want 3 guys who can get open, because if you only have 1-2, a defense can scheme around them with double teams etc.

Kelce, JJSS, MVS, Hardman is enough receiving talent that the offense can be productive, you don't need a significant amount of production from a rookie WR to be a good team in 2022. There are also tons of receivers who don't go in the first round who turn out to be productive (Deebo, Claypool, AJ Brown, Chark all went in the 2nd, McLaurin, Gallup went in the 3rd, Renfrow went in the 5th). If a top receiver doesn't fall in the Chiefs lap in the 1st, that must push down another position group of need (DL, secondary) and there will be an opportunity to add talent in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

Offense is always more exciting, but I would not be the slightest bit worried or dissappointed if the first 4-5 picks made all go on improving the defense.


Best22 04-03-2022 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16230247)
Awful way to approach the draft.

That’s not my strategy for the draft, that’s just how I hope the board falls and KC is able to take advantage


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