Take one in the 2nd, still not ideal, but whatever. That's where good Rb's go.

Just don't do it in the first.

This thread is ****ing stupid.

This simply isn't supported by the weight of the evidence. At all.

About 1/2 of the picks taken in the 2nd round in any given year will become starters by their 3rd NFL season.

Guys taken ahead of Hardman who have been less productive than him:

Clellin Ferrell
TJ Hockenson
Devin Bush
Jonah Williams
Rashan Gary (though he's finally coming along)
Dwayne Haskins....uh
Noah Fant
Andre Dillard
Jonathan Abram
Jerry Tillery
LJ Collier
Deandre Baker
N'Keal Harry
Rock Ya-Sin
Greg Little
Cody Ford
Trayvon Mullen
Drew Lock
Jahlani Tavai
Joejuan Williams
Greedy Williams
Marquise Blair
Ben Banogu
Irv Smith
Drew Sample
Lonnie Johnson

That's 26 guys; about half the picks ahead of him. And frankly I'm leaving out another half-dozen close questions because I just don't feel like arguing about it.

This idea that 2nd rounders are just going to become starters is simply asinine. There are 7 guys taken in the 2nd round that year who were essentially 'day 1' starters.

Your position w/r/t Veach's ability to draft doesn't mean anything because you lack the proper perspective to meaningfully evaluate his performance.

I love the argument that Brown, Metcalf or McLaurin would have been just complete studs in this offense from day 1.

Hill and Kelce were getting their targets. Now maybe Metcalf, Brown or McLaurin eliminate the need for Watkins coming in but that's not a guarantee either.

Doesn't this somewhat blow apart the "sit tight and make all our picks" thought process though? If they feel a guy is worth it, trade up?

No.

Because about 1/2 those guys are 1st round picks.

They're slightly less likely to bust, but not by orders of magnitude.

So keep your picks, get an EXTRA guy and let the law of large numbers work to your advantage.

McLaurin would've been.

That's a rough miss.

But again, the whole damn argument ignores the fact that it REALLY looked like Tyreek Hill was on his way out of the league when that pick was made. And the whole offense had been built around his deep speed.

It's just lazy.

True.

In general, I think we need to realize that most of these guys were about to draft just aren't gonna turn into Tyreek Hills and Travis Kelce's.

It's ok if they are....say....Mecole Hardman. That's fine.

McLaurin, we can agree on.

I'm sure Reid would have loved Metcalf's amazing route running ability though. /s

Well, McLaurin will be a Chief here soon enough so don't worrk about it.

But/for the Hill situation I'm betting we draft McLaurin. It just made too much sense.

Shit happens sometimes.

Man, I have this same feeling too.

Something tells me we’re going to trade for him.

If I'm a WR I just am not signing an extension right now. I'm going to the market.

Because Godwin got hurt and STILL got paid.

So unless I'm getting top 5 WR money, I'm playing out my contract and getting to FA. The market is just way too hot for them right now.

And I'm not giving up draft capital for someone I'm just gonna have to trade again in a year. Especially not when I still don't have Brown's LTC done so I need to ensure that I have my franchise tag free next season.

The idea that Metcalf came into the NFL not being able to run routes was always stupid. Was he stiff and somewhat limited in route tree? Sure.

But he ran 4 routes at an elite level coming in.

Ruggs, who was the 1st WR off the board in his year ran one great route.

Metcalf was not a West Coast WR coming out of the draft.

And who the **** is talking about Ruggs?