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RunKC 09-04-2022 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444158)
Mathieu's play on the field was not as bad down the stretch as we make it out to be. There were not games where he was being exposed with any regularity. He was a king-sized distraction off the field, however.

Sorensen and Niemann were horrendous and have been thankfully upgraded.

But, yes. I think the DL is the most important position on the team other than QB. And we're just not investing in it the way I'd like us to.

Our staff had to have looked at this defense and the first thing sticking out couldn’t have been the pass rush. It wasn’t even the first 3 things. What stuck out to me was this: we could not cover, we were slow and there was no passion or identity anymore.

Anthony Hitchens? Old and slow. Daniel Sorenson? Old and slow. Tyrann Matheiu? Old and didn’t care anymore. Mike Hughes? Terrible. Ben Neimann? Slow and terrible.

We had to replace 3 starters in our secondary + depth. It just had to happen. Go watch that Bills playoff game and tell me the secondary wasn’t the biggest problem?

The pass rush is definitely a big question mark but I think next year will be heavily focused on upgrading that in a major way.

I don’t think we’re going to the SB, but another championship game appearance wouldn’t surprise me. I do think that if this class hits for us it opens up so many possibilities the next 3 years.

Money will be available, lots of draft picks and young cheap talent spread across the roster.

srvy 09-04-2022 03:38 PM

I made it to "I listen to more than most" which was far enough.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16444201)
Our staff had to have looked at this defense and the first thing sticking out couldn’t have been the pass rush. It wasn’t even the first 3 things. What stuck out to me was this: we could not cover, we were slow and there was no passion or identity anymore.

Anthony Hitchens? Old and slow. Daniel Sorenson? Old and slow. Tyrann Matheiu? Old and didn’t care anymore. Mike Hughes? Terrible. Ben Neimann? Slow and terrible.

We had to replace 3 starters in our secondary + depth. It just had to happen. Go watch that Bills playoff game and tell me the secondary wasn’t the biggest problem?

The pass rush is definitely a big question mark but I think next year will be heavily focused on upgrading that in a major way.

I don’t think we’re going to the SB, but another championship game appearance wouldn’t surprise me. I do think that if this class hits for us it opens up so many possibilities the next 3 years.

Money will be available, lots of draft picks and young cheap talent spread across the roster.

Honestly, I think we’re pretty close together on the issues here.

The big difference: the Chiefs absolutely knew DL was a weakness. Veach said so. I think they were in on Von Miller (just guessing) and later Quinn. Neither worked out so they kept Clark at a reduced rate and signed Dunlap. Drafted Karlaftis, which they should have done no matter what, and the value at DT was poor in the draft.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16444205)
I made it to "I listen to more than most" which was far enough.

Ever watch Justified?

Read my posts in Boyd Crowder’s voice

R Clark 09-04-2022 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444158)
Mathieu's play on the field was not as bad down the stretch as we make it out to be. There were not games where he was being exposed with any regularity. He was a king-sized distraction off the field, however.

Sorensen and Niemann were horrendous and have been thankfully upgraded.

But, yes. I think the DL is the most important positionMat on the team other than QB. And we're just not investing in it the way I'd like us to.

Bullshit Matthieu sucked big time no doubt about it

DaFace 09-04-2022 03:59 PM

I'm admittedly a weird sports fan, but I'm more excited for this season because it's more interesting to see something new and to watch the story unfold of how this new group of guys can gel. However, I don't necessarily think our odds of winning a Super Bowl are as high this year as they were last year. And that's OK.

tyecopeland 09-04-2022 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444134)
Agreed on the 2nd point.

The 1st point: the biggest problem was the DL. I think the DL is their biggest problem this year. I don't think they addressed it. They literally let Ingram/Reed walk and replaced them with Karlaftis/Dunlap.

Is that "addressing" it? Not sufficiently, I don't think.

You're worries about replacing Reed? What did that dude do that was so hard to reproduce?

You can be worried about the d line but Dunlap and karlaftis should be more than what Ingram brought. And Reed was nothing that a little improvement from Wharton and saunders won't cover. Was it enough? Who knows, but that sure as shit feels like an upgrade.

RaidersOftheCellar 09-04-2022 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444186)
ooooooooo I bet that won't stop you from having a bold judgment of the OP though



boom, baby!

Or is it a boom-baby? In my head I see a 50% chance of the AFCCG and, like, a 15% chance at the Super Bowl.

That's not modest, right? Objectively, that's a great perspective entering the season.

But compared to podcasts and Planeteers who seemingly have this team at 100% and 80%, respectively, I'm Eeyore.

I didn’t judge any takes. I was just putting that out there.

Bottom line is that this organization has earned the benefit of the doubt. And as long as Reid is here and Mahomes is in his prime, the floor will be pretty high.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16444247)
I didn’t judge any takes. I was just putting that out there.

Bottom line is that this organization has earned the benefit of the doubt. And as long as Reid is here and Mahomes is in his prime, the floor will be pretty high.

That’s actually straight up true about benefit of the doubt.

This team as currently constructed *should* have problems with the Bill, Chargers, and Bengals.

But all Mahomes does is make AFCCGs. So it’s hard to dock him any more than as a 50% shot.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tyecopeland (Post 16444245)
You're worries about replacing Reed? What did that dude do that was so hard to reproduce?

You can be worried about the d line but Dunlap and karlaftis should be more than what Ingram brought. And Reed was nothing that a little improvement from Wharton and saunders won't cover. Was it enough? Who knows, but that sure as shit feels like an upgrade.

Unless you want to go down this rabbit hole of Jarran Reed, I’ll refrain other than to say that if Saunders can take off and hit what he’s capable of, a LOT of flaws on this DL disappear in a hurry.

srvy 09-04-2022 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444213)
Ever watch Justified?

Read my posts in Boyd Crowder’s voice

I have never watched it. Maybe you can give me the notes from your notebook.

kccrow 09-04-2022 04:54 PM

I don't listen to any podcasts, so I'll take your word for it on the positivity as I'm sure it mimics this board.

I'm going to say it does look like this Chiefs team could be fighting for a playoff spot simply because of the strength of the schedule, including a strong division, coupled with a young secondary and weak defensive line.

The other contenders for spots, in my opinion, are:

Buffalo Bills
Cincinnati Bengals
Tennessee Titans
Los Angeles Chargers
Baltimore Ravens
Indianapolis Colts
New England Patriots
Miami Dolphins
Denver Broncos
Las Vegas Raiders

The saving grace here is that the Colts and Titans, despite an otherwise weak division, play the AFC West and the Patriots and Dolphins play the AFC North and NFC North where they'll hit the Bills, Bengals, Packers, and Vikings.

We all know that the Chiefs' offense is talented, and it will be so long as there is a passable offensive line and Patrick Mahomes under center. This offense though has a chance to be special in my opinion. The depth of talent at WR is far superior to anything Pat has had to date. It may not have the ultimate cheat code in Tyreek anymore, but I'm not going to pretend that JuJu isn't capable of a 1300-yard season and every other spot is better. The Chiefs also have more speed at RB than they've ever had with Pacheco and McKinnon, which could lead to some big plays out of the backfield.

But it's not the offense to worry about. Most specifically, it's the defense and that secondary.

Rashad Fenton has never been a full-time starter and in his season with his most action (2021), he gave up a relatively atrocious 68.5% completions. His saving grace was it wasn't for a great many yards. He was actually far worse in yards given up in 2020 on a still less than stellar 62.1%. So, we'll have to hope Fenton takes the next step because more snaps mean even more yards.

With Sneed in the slot, the next 3 CBs after Fenton are all rookies and a Chris Lammons, who hasn't taken meaningful snaps since his first year which was in Miami (not to mention his looming case with Alvin Kamara in LV). Sure, McDuffie is a first-round pick but he's going to have his struggles and the rest of the rookies even more so. You hope McDuffie is as good as Paulson Adebo was in NO as a rookie, which was pretty good for a rookie. So far, Fenton has been a bit knicked up during the pre-season.

If Fenton and Sneed don't stay healthy for the full tilt, this secondary is in trouble no matter how good the safety group is which, by the way, looks to be rock solid. Veach would have been smart, in my opinion, to stock a couple of vet CBs on the PS. He doesn't even have one.

This isn't even talking about the defensive line, which has obvious concerns. The first issue lies with the vets. Dunlap was signed to take pressure off of Karlaftis as a rookie and help hedge some of the problems with performance with Frank Clark, but he already has a tweaked Achilles which usually leads to a tear at some point during the season. I'm worried there. Frank Clark dropped weight but now he looks too light. We'll see, but I'll never attach much hope to Frank Clark.

Then, you have the youth. Karlaftis is a rookie and, like McDuffie and the secondary, is going to learn on the fly how long and difficult an NFL season is and especially if/when they get to the playoff stretch. I like the strides Mike Danna has taken but he just doesn't look yet like a guy that will be an impact player. He looks like a solid 1st and 2nd down end but he doesn't look like he's going to get you a ton of pressure on the QB. He may have reached the point of at least Alex Okafor if that's saying much. We don't know what Mike Herring is, but he didn't look like much of a pass rusher either. I thought Josh Kaindoh should have been cut, so I guess we'll see where that ends up.

Overall, we're dealing with a lack of pass rushers. The Chiefs don't really have a rotational pinch hitter to get after the QB. My opinion is that Veach would be smart to swing a late rounder for a flash-in-the-pan that can at least get some pressure situationally. Maybe that guy isn't out there for the taking though.

We really could be looking at the 2018 Chiefs but the schedule is tougher. The Chiefs have to take some out-of-division games against good opponents and they can't give up the gimmes because they will, undoubtedly, lose a couple of division tilts.

Overall, I don't think playoffs are out of the realm of possibility or even likelihood, but I don't expect 13-14 wins and I don't expect this team to go far. I'm leaning towards 10-7 with 11-6 as a maybe. Anything more than that might be a bit overzealous. As for advancing through the gauntlet in the playoffs, that may be too tall a task for the defense.

Rausch 09-04-2022 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16444285)
I have never watched it. Maybe you can give me the notes from your notebook.

It's worth watching. Very good...

Pitt Gorilla 09-04-2022 04:58 PM

Chiefs schedule is insane, so I agree that we may fall back a bit. Honestly, just get into the tournament and go from there.

Pitt Gorilla 09-04-2022 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444213)
Ever watch Justified?

Read my posts in Boyd Crowder’s voice

Maybe the best TV character ever, IMO.


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