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IowaHawkeyeChief 09-29-2022 04:10 PM

Yes... dumb thread.

oldman 09-29-2022 04:35 PM

I'd buy into not trying to return a kick out of the endzone. However, you have to look at the 5-10 yard positive yardage gained gained on a punt. FTR, you do not have to catch a punt after calling for a fair catch. Time after time we've seen the receiver call for one inside the 5, only letting it bounce into the endzone for a touchback.

DJ's left nut 09-29-2022 04:46 PM

Depends.

Is Skyy Moore the guy you've tasked with doing it?

Kman34 09-29-2022 04:55 PM

Maybe the question should be….. Should teams still punt???

Megatron96 09-29-2022 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 16496148)
Imagine having a special teams coach that is so tragi-comically bad at his job, that members of your fanbase question the benefits of returning a punt.

Look inward.

Fire Toub. Hire competent special teams coach and decisionmaker. Bring special teams back to the level of helping your team instead of trying to ritualistically destroy it every time they are called upon to perform.

Dave Toub has been ranked in the top 10 as a ST coach for the last 17 years. In fact, he has been ranked in the top 5 for more than 13 consecutive years, making him the most successful St coach in NFL history.

But yeah, fire him and hire some guy that "is competent."

Lol, what a maroon.

rabblerouser 09-29-2022 05:58 PM

Nah **** it.

Let's play two-hand touch, QB's in a tutu and touching the QB is illegal.

Saying mean things is already illegal, so...

Fat Elvis 09-29-2022 06:23 PM

From a strategic standpoint? Hmmmm...that is actually a pretty interesting question. If you choose to not return punts--as a matter of rule for your particular team--it begs the question as to whether or not you would actually want a returner back to recieve/fair catch the ball. If you *don't* have someone back to catch the ball, then that means you can rush the punter with 11 guys---and given the numbers, that means someone will always be unblocked. So can you get someone fast enough to either block the kick entirely, or at least get in the punter's face so that he can't perform a good directional kick?

You might actually get more net yards by harassing the kicker these days.

On the flip side, then, is the question of whether or not you should ever punt on 4th down? Personally, and I'm more of the gambling type-especially since we have Mahomes, but I'd just as soon never punt the ball.

BWillie 09-29-2022 06:54 PM

There is no reason to field a punt if you are winning in the 4th quarter or towards end of 3rd quarter.

htismaqe 09-29-2022 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16496428)
There is no reason to field a punt if you are winning in the 4th quarter or towards end of 3rd quarter.

I agree.

FloridaMan88 09-29-2022 06:56 PM

If you are a team with a shit offense and zero passing game like Chicago… yes… you need an aggressive special teams to manufacture points.

When you have Mahomes, your main punt return objective should be to avoid a turnover to ensure that #15 gets the ball.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-29-2022 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 16496148)
Imagine having a special teams coach that is so tragi-comically bad at his job, that members of your fanbase question the benefits of returning a punt.

Look inward.

Fire Toub. Hire competent special teams coach and decisionmaker. Bring special teams back to the level of helping your team instead of trying to ritualistically destroy it every time they are called upon to perform.

You realize Toub is one of the most respected coaches at his position in the league right?? Consistently has had among the best ST units for YEARS. But go on crying...

Pasta Little Brioni 09-29-2022 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16496243)
Dave Toub has been ranked in the top 10 as a ST coach for the last 17 years. In fact, he has been ranked in the top 5 for more than 13 consecutive years, making him the most successful St coach in NFL history.

But yeah, fire him and hire some guy that "is competent."

Lol, what a maroon.

Or this too.

Megatron96 09-29-2022 07:03 PM

Guys, look at who Andy has on his staff. Steven Spagnuolo and Dave Toub. They are all gamblers, aggressive-minded coaches that want to put the pressure on their opponents as soon as possible if not earlier and often.

Toub is exactly the guy Andy wants running his ST. This is why we sometimes kick it short; to invite a mistake such as the one in the HOU playoff game where DD popped the ball loose and forced the turnover. It's why he put Hill in that Vikings game and got their punter to shank it. Et cetera and so on. Andy believes, as Parcells did, that punts and kicks are potential offensive plays.

Considering the sources, I'd say let them cook.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-29-2022 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16496466)
Guys, look at who Andy has on his staff. Steven Spagnuolo and Dave Toub. They are all gamblers, aggressive-minded coaches that want to put the pressure on their opponents as soon as possible if not earlier and often.

Toub is exactly the guy Andy wants running his ST. This is why we sometimes kick it short; to invite a mistake such as the one in the HOU playoff game where DD popped the ball loose and forced the turnover. It's why he put Hill in that Vikings game and got their punter to shank it. Et cetera and so on. Andy believes, as Parcells did, that punts and kicks are potential offensive plays.

Considering the sources, I'd say let them cook.

There's some here that act like we have the worst coaching staff in football

Spott 09-29-2022 07:11 PM

I think everyone not named Skyy Moore should return punts.


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