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htismaqe 10-24-2022 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16550512)
It's not smooth like say Breece Hall (damn the ACL strikes again), who looks like he's just gliding.

Yeah, and I'm not necessarily complaining about it. It just seems like there's energy wasted. I'm sure he'll get better over time. Right now he's just raw.

DJ's left nut 10-24-2022 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16550510)
Who was the douchey WR we had back in the early 2000s who would celebrate like he won the Super Bowl after every catch? Johnnie Morton? Samie something or other?

First Down Sammie!!!

Sammie Parker. Johnnie Morton was the douche that did the worm.

Sammie Parker was the guy who'd lose his shit over a 4 yard gain.

jjjayb 10-24-2022 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16550467)
First short yardage play we went right back to MEH.

Who, predictably, had a massive hole he jumped OUT of so he could slam into his O-Lineman and not pick up the first.

I screen captured the hole and just shook my head at it. I don't usually think those snapshot images are all that fair, but man - at the handoff there was a GIANT lane in front of him and he needed one stinking yard. And he bounced into his lineman instead.

He's just really damn bad.

Glad I wasn't the only one screaming at Clyde through the TV on that play.

BleedingRed 10-24-2022 08:24 AM

The point is, when he hits a hole he has a chance to break it to the house. He very much seems like a RB who need 10+ carries to get into a rhythm

Eleazar 10-24-2022 08:27 AM

I don't think running between the tackles is Clyde's forte, which is an obvious statement at this stage, but they keep trying it. He's a bang average player who might be helpful in the passing game or in space, but inside runs he doesn't have any feel for.

It's clear we have a RBBC situation and will all season, regardless of who gets the first few reps.

ThaVirus 10-24-2022 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16550517)
First Down Sammie!!!

Sammie Parker. Johnnie Morton was the douche that did the worm.

Sammie Parker was the guy who'd lose his shit over a 4 yard gain.

Sammie Parker lol that's the one.

That kinda thing irritates me.

DJ's left nut 10-24-2022 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16550526)
The point is, when he hits a hole he has a chance to break it to the house. He very much seems like a RB who need 10+ carries to get into a rhythm

People say that about a lot of RBs and for the vast majority of them, they just need volume so they can finally break one that makes their numbers look better. They didn't get any better, but the gamblers fallacy finally broke in their favor.

I have rarely put much stock in the 'he needs rhythm' thing. Because man - tough shit. This is a big boy league and you eat what you kill.

If you don't EARN 15 carries, you aren't entitled to them. We're not going to feed you the ball 10 times and get nominal production from them so we can finally get 5 decent carries from you in the 4th quarter.

Produce or walk, fella. This league isn't about making things more palatable for 7th round RBs. If you can't MAKE Andy give you the ball by being productive in the first and second quarter, I really don't give a shit about getting you in a rhythm.

Because again, for the vast majority of RBs, its just bullshit anyway.

htismaqe 10-24-2022 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16550549)
People say that about a lot of RBs and for the vast majority of them, they just need volume so they can finally break one that makes their numbers look better. They didn't get any better, but the gamblers fallacy finally broke in their favor.

I have rarely put much stock in the 'he needs rhythm' thing. Because man - tough shit. This is a big boy league and you eat what you kill.

If you don't EARN 15 carries, you aren't entitled to them. We're not going to feed you the ball 10 times and get nominal production from them so we can finally get 5 decent carries from you in the 4th quarter.

Produce or walk, fella. This league isn't about making things more palatable for 7th round RBs. If you can't MAKE Andy give you the ball by being productive in the first and second quarter, I really don't give a shit about getting you in a rhythm.

Because again, for the vast majority of RBs, its just bullshit anyway.

Yep.

If Pacheco is an actual threat to take it to the house on any given play, he shouldn't need volume.

mr. tegu 10-24-2022 08:39 AM

The best thing about CEH not being labeled the starter is we clearly didn’t focus so much on trying to shoe horn in touches for him every series.

RaidersOftheCellar 10-24-2022 08:45 AM

I don't know what there is to complain about regarding Pacheco yesterday. Other than not getting more carries. If not for a penalty, he would have averaged 6 yards/carry and had an excellent kick return. He's clearly the most explosive and talented back.

jd1020 10-24-2022 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16550571)
I don't know what there is to complain about regarding Pacheco yesterday. Other than not getting more carries. If not for a penalty, he would have averaged 6 yards/carry and had an excellent kick return. He's clearly the most explosive and talented back.

Are you talking about the 2 holds that opened up a huge running lane? If not for that? Come on...

Eleazar 10-24-2022 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16550549)
If you don't EARN 15 carries, you aren't entitled to them. We're not going to feed you the ball 10 times and get nominal production from them so we can finally get 5 decent carries from you in the 4th quarter..

Not only that, but the Chiefs averaged 9 yards per play on offense yesterday. Obviously there were 4 or 5 big plays in there, but the fact remains that if you keep feeding someone who's < 4 YPC on the prospect that a big play might happen eventually, you're slowing the offense down, not speeding it up. Especially when big plays are happening when other guys get the ball.

There are only 50 or so touches in a game, and if you got 5 of them and didn't produce, giving you 5 more doesn't make sense. That's 20% of our chances devoted to you *because* you didn't produce?

He did have one longish run, but you don't get more volume because you're not producing...

siberian khatru 10-24-2022 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jjjayb (Post 16550521)
Glad I wasn't the only one screaming at Clyde through the TV on that play.

I text my father and my son during games since we're all watching, and I scream-texted them on that play.

DJ's left nut 10-24-2022 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 16550592)
I text my father and my son during games since we're all watching, and I scream-texted them on that play.

I texted a fellow CPer with a shot of the run and just put "How was this not a first down!!" under it...

It was just awful. And he seems to have a run or two like it every game where the play is there and he just completely gacks it.

Shoes 10-24-2022 09:23 AM

The starter in this offense is more of a title than anything. Pretty sure McKinnon led the backfield in snaps yesterday.

All good with the 3 headed monster to promote competition and to keep them fresh. I do like that Pacheco has earned close to equal snaps though, he seems to be the most dynamic runner of the group.


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