Weren’t two of those as backup to Montana?

That Steve Young comparison isn't good, Young was a much headier player. He didn't run cause he had to it was when it was the best play...he also didn't think he was a badass trucking defenders...

Young would take a check down over running or making a dumb pass.

ah, that's right.

However, Steve's list of accomplishments is long, too long for me to type in here (because I'm kind of feeling lazy today and because there's a lot of it).

Josh ain't anywhere near Steve young. Not yet, anyway.

Yes, Mahomes could never play another game and he's already accomplished enough to be a HOFer. probably a first ballot HOFer.

Have you ever taken the test? It’s not like 2+2=4. It’s not something you just prepare for and get some super high score.

Almost no people in the NFL would agree with you.

ya, it comes down to can you win in the playoffs with this QB?

Rivers never had much success there, and there were some really talented charger teams.

These type of comparisons happen all the time, even in the Draft when a kid hasn't done anything. Obviously they have to stick around for a long time to have the overall career of anyone they are compared against.

Tech folks like myself were comparing Mahomes' talent to guys like Rodgers & Favre when he was a 19 year old true freshman. Allen has amazing talent as well. He's kind of a freak when you look at his body size, strong running ability, rocket arm, and high Wonderlic score. Some guys have the physical talent and zero brain (JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, Cam Newton).

These young guys like Allen or Mahomes have to stick around a long time to have the type of overall career of guys like Steve Young or Rodgers/Favre. Only time will tell, but they both have tremendous potential.

Unfair comparison based on eras. Today...Young would be running more. My comment was more about skill-set...not about the actual offense the offense these two guys have been given to run.

Where do people get this shit from? He’s already won a playoff game which way quicker than rivers did. And he lost last year despite having an absurdly good performance. He’s been extremely good this year save for a recent funk which includes late game heroics against us. I like our guy but find it weird to undersell the guy. He’s a really good player and seems like a good dude. It’s just that our dude is better. He may be way more Aaron rodgers than he is Philip rivers.

Exactly. QB's aren't winning Super Bowls by themselves, but in Rivers' case, I don't know if he ever made a Conference championship, let alone win a Super Bowl. The Chargers were usually missing the playoffs or losing quickly in the playoffs. You'd think he could at least steal a few big games before going down in flames.

Allen's game against the Chiefs last year was better than any big game Rivers played.

Concur.

Allen is a physical beast. I'll even say that he's a far better overall athlete than Young and possesses the better arm.

If he had Mahomes' processing ability and football acumen, he'd probably be the best that has ever played, eventually. heck, if he had Young's processing ability he'd probably be a lock to get one.

But he doesn't, thank God.

Not yet, anyway.

Allen could still go on and win a SB someday, in my opinion. He's talented enough, more than.

And he's come a long way from his first couple seasons.

As you say, time will tell.

Not to completely derail this thread, but i think Young would be throwing more today. He's said as much when questioned about playing today.

Back then, the middle of the field was kind of off-limits. Because things like what happened to Juju Sunday were completely legal, even encouraged by the NFL. Guys like Ronnie Lott and Steve Atwater, just to name a couple, were paid what they were paid to knock receivers' heads off if they tried to catch passes between the numbers. So, while they still threw over the middle, in general QBs were a lot more careful about when and where and how often they did so.

His first 2 years definitely drag down any comparison or average.
Here are the stats over the last 3 seasons:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The past 3 seasons (start of 2020)…<br><br>Josh Allen: 66%, 111 TD’s, 33 INT, 18 lost fumbles<br>Pat Mahomes: 66%, 101 TD’s, 25 INT, 11 lost fumbles<br><br>Allen is +60 in Net TD’s (touchdown minus turnovers). Mahomes is +65 in Net TD’s.<br><br>The numbers are as close to equal as you can get.</p>&mdash; Bills Stats &amp; More (@Tickets_Buffalo) <a href="https://twitter.com/Tickets_Buffalo/status/1591833816947396608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patrick Mahomes has played in only 2 more regular season games in his career than Josh Allen has YET has 5,080 more passing yards, 53 more passing TDs, 12 fewer INTs and 307 more 1st downs. <br><br>All of that in only 2 more games. <a href="https://t.co/7hRWAJMAdz">pic.twitter.com/7hRWAJMAdz</a></p>&mdash; ����‼️ (@LanceTHESPOKEN) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceTHESPOKEN/status/1592669185296936962?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>