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treeguy27 12-18-2022 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16676241)
I really think it is a crazy stat that the Chiefs are the best team on 3rd downs in general but one of the worst teams on 3rd and short.

They need to leave Pacheco in there on third and short. He can pick up one or two yards when the defense is expecting run. Mckinnon should be in the game on third and long for pass protection, but not automatically be out there on third and short.

DRM08 12-18-2022 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16676486)
Memo to Andy… when you are deciding between relying on your MVP QB who finished the game with 20 straight completions and a now unreliable kicker… there is actually no decision to be made.

Andy needs to show more faith in Mahomes for that situation. If Patrick was struggling with accuracy during the game, I could understand playing it safe to attempt a 50+ yard FG. But Mahomes was pretty dang hot in this game with 88% completion percentage. Thankfully Andy’s choice did not cost them the game.

DenverChief 12-18-2022 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by treeguy27 (Post 16677021)
They need to leave Pacheco in there on third and short. He can pick up one or two yards when the defense is expecting run. Mckinnon should be in the game on third and long for pass protection, but not automatically be out there on third and short.

Even if they throw the swing pass to Pacheco...I'm not sure why he isn't more involved in the passing game....maybe he struggles with the passing routes like he does with pass pro :shrug:

JohnnyHammersticks 12-18-2022 06:57 PM

MVS deserves more love. Patrick missed him when he had 2 steps on his man early in the game too, or he might have had another TD and a lot more yardage. He makes a big play or two for us every week on not that many targets. He's giving the Chiefs good ROI on the money they're paying him.

DenverChief 12-18-2022 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16677060)
MVS deserves more love. Patrick missed him when he had 2 steps on his man early in the game too, or he might have had another TD and a lot more yardage. He makes a big play or two for us every week on not that many targets. He's giving the Chiefs good ROI on the money they're paying him.

I don’t have many complaints about MVS. “All he does is catch TDs” or more accurately critical passes. He always makes a big catch or two. While I wish he was more “active” in the passing game I’ll take his production if it means they help us win.

bsroyals54 12-18-2022 07:15 PM

We should only be punting on 4th down and 5 or more, depending on the situation. Andy Reid would punt on 3rd down if he could without backlash.

KCUnited 12-18-2022 07:18 PM

Can’t do fumbles per game for Pacheco, have to get to the per carries/touches grain.

I don’t know what that is but just some feedback for future analysis.

DenverChief 12-18-2022 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 16677111)
Can’t do fumbles per game for Pacheco, have to get to the per carries/touches grain.

I don’t know what that is but just some feedback for future analysis.

Fair enough.

139 rushing attempts 2 lost fumbles which works out to ~70 carries between each lost fumble.

KCUnited 12-18-2022 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16677158)
Fair enough.

139 rushing attempts 2 lost fumbles which works out to ~70 carries between each lost fumble.

Hopefully I didn’t come across as a dick with that post as I enjoy these post game takes.

That said, is that this season? And I’d probably break out total fumbles and lost fumbles as recovery is likely a matter of luck.

Also within the context of this game, he seemed to take more contact than deliver, which is likely something he’ll learn. Same with a noisy running style and the likelihood of getting stripped.

Chief Pagan 12-18-2022 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 16676472)
You need to play flawless football in the playoffs or you will most likely lose. That means no TOs, little to no penalties, stopping teams on 3rd and long, getting pressure on thr QB and most important no missed PATs or FGs.

We need to fix ALL of those areas. Very messy heading into the playoffs.

Oh I don't know that anybody has a flawless game.

Every team in the salary cap era has flaws and has injuries.

You need as much talent as possible at all levels of the organization.

You need a lot of hard work and focus.

And you need some lucky breaks. Whether it is staying relatively healthy or maybe getting a lucky bounce of the football here or there.

The more of the above three you have the better your odds, but there are no guarantees. There is too much parity and too much any given Sunday when it a one and done playoff format.

And of course an elite QB to carry a team and run the two minute drill.

DenverChief 12-18-2022 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 16677176)
Hopefully I didn’t come across as a dick with that post as I enjoy these post game takes.

That said, is that this season? And I’d probably break out total fumbles and lost fumbles as recovery is likely a matter of luck.

Also within the context of this game, he seemed to take more contact than deliver, which is likely something he’ll learn. Same with a noisy running style and the likelihood of getting stripped.

Nah not at all, I agree I should have used some better figures.

its ~35 carrels per fumble if you include all fumbles. He didn't really carry the ball much to start the season. Had a few games of 1,2,3 rushes the whole game. It wasn't until week 10 he started to really carry the rock 10-15 game.

Megatron96 12-18-2022 07:46 PM

Were all Pacheco's fumbles on a run? i thought one of them was during a return?

DenverChief 12-18-2022 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 16677182)
Oh I don't know that anybody has a flawless game.

Every team in the salary cap era has flaws and has injuries.

You need as much talent as possible at all levels of the organization.

You need a lot of hard work and focus.

And you need some lucky breaks. Whether it is staying relatively healthy or maybe getting a lucky bounce of the football here or there.

The more of the above three you have the better your odds, but there are no guarantees. There is too much parity and too much any given Sunday when it a one and done playoff format.

And of course an elite QB to carry a team and run the two minute drill.


100%

NJChiefsFan 12-18-2022 07:49 PM

Yeah some of the biggest concerns for this team come playoff time are
-turnover differential
-red zone defense
-3rd and short

Mahomes can overcome a lot but if we can't clean up at least 2 of those 3 things it's going to be a brutal path we are hoping for them to navigate.

DTHOF 12-18-2022 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16676232)
The Good:

Mahomes, McKinnon, Kelce

The Bad:

Fumbling, Defense, Penalties (some Cheffers bullshit in there but still),

The ugly-

Andy and EB's game management, Harrison Butker

Another bad is special teams as a whole. They are as bad this year as I have ever seen them.

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