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ultimate175 12-19-2022 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by treeguy27 (Post 16678265)
I'm surprised the no call on the Mahomes sack isn't getting more national media attention. That was a textbook example of what the league wants eliminated. That was Cheffer's call to make and he chose not to throw the flag.

That play did seem to conflict with the spirit of protecting quarterbacks, but what rule specifically was broken to cite as a penalty? You can't go low at a QB's knees - that's an explicit rule. You can't land with your full body weight on a QB - that's an explicit rule. You can't hit a QB late after releasing the ball - that's an explicit rule. No helmet to helmet contact - that's an explicit rule. None of those occurred. Other than being aggressive, what was the violation?

penchief 12-19-2022 12:02 PM

I’d be curious what the season per game average number of penalties and penalty yardage of chiefs opponents are compared to what is called against them in Cheffers officiated chiefs games. It seems like they are getting called for about four per game.

That is the other side of the equation. If those teams are all well below their seasonal average in chiefs/Cheffers games, that could show that the bias is being applied both ways, which really puts the squeeze on the teams chances of winning.

Megatron96 12-19-2022 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16678225)
Since the day Travis Kelce said he shouldn't work at a foot locker it got way worse...it's personal.

Yeah, and I get that Cheffers could have something personal about Kelce. But, and this is just my opinion, the last couple three years it's gone beyond Kelce to the entire team, and now he just doesn't care how it looks. that punch or slap to Mahomes' head was egregious. That's a flag regardless, the rules are pretty clear about it. And where did that guy get the idea he could do that?

Anyway, not going down that rabbit hole, but Cheffers is dirty, for whatever reasons and he should be excommunicated forthwith.

FloridaMan88 12-19-2022 12:05 PM

Cheffers bias against the Chiefs is well documented.

The Super Bowl vs the Bucs when he called 12 penalties vs the Chiefs… including SIX that resulted in first downs for Tampa. Even the media former refs/turned analysts criticized him for that performance.

And he called that questionable holding call vs Eric Fisher on the tying 2 point conversion play vs Pittsburgh in the playoffs. Kelce after the game said Cheffers shouldn’t even be allowed to work at Foot Locker.

DRM08 12-19-2022 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ultimate175 (Post 16678283)
That play did seem to conflict with the spirit of protecting quarterbacks, but what rule specifically was broken to cite as a penalty? You can't go low at a QB's knees - that's an explicit rule. You can't land with your full body weight on a QB - that's an explicit rule. You can't hit a QB late after releasing the ball - that's an explicit rule. None of those occurred. Other than being aggressive, what was the violation?

Unnecessary roughness exists for all players, not just QB's. Slamming the guy's head to the fake turf (ahem...borderline concrete) was not necessary. If they really are trying to stop the concussions and other head injuries, they need to penalize that type of play when it happens. Otherwise the refs are encouraging the guys to keep doing it.

ultimate175 12-19-2022 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 16678293)
Unnecessary roughness exists for all players, not just QB's. Slamming the guy's head to the fake turf (ahem...borderline concrete) was not necessary. If they really are trying to stop the concussions and other head injuries, they need to penalize that type of play when it happens. Otherwise the refs are encouraging the guys to keep doing it.

I can see unnecessary roughness, but then it becomes a judgement call rather than an obvious objective violation. I didn't like it, but I can see how it went uncalled.

Mr. Plow 12-19-2022 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 16678277)
Investigated?

So, how exactly do you envision that happening?

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treeguy27 12-19-2022 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ultimate175 (Post 16678283)
That play did seem to conflict with the spirit of protecting quarterbacks, but what rule specifically was broken to cite as a penalty? You can't go low at a QB's knees - that's an explicit rule. You can't land with your full body weight on a QB - that's an explicit rule. You can't hit a QB late after releasing the ball - that's an explicit rule. No helmet to helmet contact - that's an explicit rule. None of those occurred. Other than being aggressive, what was the violation?

When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight.

From the NFL website, section b on this page

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules...ng-the-passer/

mr. tegu 12-19-2022 12:25 PM

Anyone have a replay of the non roughing play?

KCUnited 12-19-2022 12:27 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you&#39;re wondering why Chiefs fans hate Cheffers: The first play was deemed legal, the second was &quot;unnecessary roughness&quot; <a href="https://t.co/BAvvC1y5wK">pic.twitter.com/BAvvC1y5wK</a></p>&mdash; Brett Gering (@BrettGering) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettGering/status/1604572030996811776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

penguinz 12-19-2022 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 16678293)
Unnecessary roughness exists for all players, not just QB's. Slamming the guy's head to the fake turf (ahem...borderline concrete) was not necessary. If they really are trying to stop the concussions and other head injuries, they need to penalize that type of play when it happens. Otherwise the refs are encouraging the guys to keep doing it.

Not true with field turf. There are several inches of rubber below the tirf.

Megatron96 12-19-2022 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ultimate175 (Post 16678283)
That play did seem to conflict with the spirit of protecting quarterbacks, but what rule specifically was broken to cite as a penalty? You can't go low at a QB's knees - that's an explicit rule. You can't land with your full body weight on a QB - that's an explicit rule. You can't hit a QB late after releasing the ball - that's an explicit rule. No helmet to helmet contact - that's an explicit rule. None of those occurred. Other than being aggressive, what was the violation?

There have been several sacks, maybe more than a dozen, that were flagged this season for the exact same technique. Plus, the rules explicitly state, "when in doubt, throw the flag."

There's no excuse in Mahomes' instance for not throwing that flag.

dtrain 12-19-2022 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ultimate175 (Post 16678283)
That play did seem to conflict with the spirit of protecting quarterbacks, but what rule specifically was broken to cite as a penalty? You can't go low at a QB's knees - that's an explicit rule. You can't land with your full body weight on a QB - that's an explicit rule. You can't hit a QB late after releasing the ball - that's an explicit rule. No helmet to helmet contact - that's an explicit rule. None of those occurred. Other than being aggressive, what was the violation?

If I'm not mistaken one of the Eagles got a roughing the passer for spinning while sacking qb and threw him down it wasn't as hard. It was in the game they lost on final drive I think.

jjchieffan 12-19-2022 12:37 PM

Oh look. Douchebag mod that band people from the GDT thread for calling out refs comes in here to tell us that it's all legit. I'm shocked!!

Regime 12-19-2022 12:39 PM

Dude has to be gambling.


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