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kccrow 04-20-2023 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16910030)
Cameron Young is a run stuffer.

Mazi Smith is a run stopper. And he's going to be a force multiplier for Nick Bolton.

We sure about that?

I mean, their statistical output over the past two seasons is near identical. They have very similar playstyles and results but Young is quicker off the ball. Both have an issue with coming up too high. Both are difficult to move off their spot.

I think you're slightly overvaluing Mazi while undervaluing Young. Yeah, I'd say Mazi has more upside and I'd take a shot on that if we were a 3-4 defense that relied heavily on a NT but we're a 1-gap 3-4. I'll take a guy that is solid at his job and quick off the ball and that's good enough.

Chris Meck 04-21-2023 06:00 AM

I was all about Mazi when he was being slotted in the third due to the gun thing. If he dropped, I'd surely take him there.

In the first? Nah. He's a two down run stuffer, and I just don't see first round value. I don't see anything that indicates he can be a plus pass rusher at all. If he couldn't do it in college, why would he in the pros? I just don't see it.

O.city 04-21-2023 07:41 AM

Playing in Harbaughs defense, he's not really asked to do it much. Remember Justin Smith with the 9ers freeing up Aldon all those times?

Direckshun 04-21-2023 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16910241)
Great...so now you've made the offense one dimensional and Mahomes has staked us to an early lead. Your first round pick is relegated to the bench because said offense is forced to throw.

Grab that guy later in the draft and get a guy who can help you in more than just one way.

What are the trenches worth to you on defense?

We will likely take a large DE early in the draft, giving us four DEs who can play the run at least passably well. We also have Chris Jones.

But it all means nothing if Nnadi is getting bowled over by a power scheme.

I believe Mazi Smith stops the power scheme. And he wins you the interior.

That is a 1st round pick, and if teams have to play left-handed to avoid it, so be it.

Direckshun 04-21-2023 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16910229)
I think Smith has the ability to become more than jsut a 2 down player though.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16910256)
I actually don't think Smith can't run the passer, but to each their own.

Also, this.

The Franchise 04-21-2023 09:23 AM

I mean....if I'm picking a side to agree with....it isn't going to be the one that has O.City and Mecca on it. Just sayin...

Dunerdr 04-21-2023 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16911085)
What are the trenches worth to you on defense?

We will likely take a large DE early in the draft, giving us four DEs who can play the run at least passably well. We also have Chris Jones.

But it all means nothing if Nnadi is getting bowled over by a power scheme.

I believe Mazi Smith stops the power scheme. And he wins you the interior.

That is a 1st round pick, and if teams have to play left-handed to avoid it, so be it.

How many times has Mahomes lost to a team that runs primarily inside the tackles? The titans two years ago? Henry isnt Henry anymore, that teams gutted and still couldnt do it come the playoffs. So maybe Baltimore or the 9ers?

And to that argument just sign a run stuffing Jag.

Direckshun 04-21-2023 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16911102)
How many times has Mahomes lost to a team that runs primarily inside the tackles? The titans two years ago? Henry isnt Henry anymore, that teams gutted and still couldnt do it come the playoffs. So maybe Baltimore or the 9ers?

And to that argument just sign a run stuffing Jag.

Bills and Bengals ran all over us. And we're probably facing the Eagles or 49ers in the Super Bowl if/when we get there.

Dunerdr 04-21-2023 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16911105)
Bills and Bengals ran all over us. And we're probably facing the Eagles or 49ers in the Super Bowl if/when we get there.

The bills and bengals did when we were in light personel. Is Mazi even going to be out there for that? Nnadi was some but not always. I just dont see it.

Direckshun 04-21-2023 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16911116)
The bills and bengals did when we were in light personel. Is Mazi even going to be out there for that? Nnadi was some but not always. I just dont see it.

Reader is.

Reader is a key reason the Bengals feel comfortable dropping 8 against Mahomes.

I'm just saying.

The Franchise 04-21-2023 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16911128)
Reader is.

Reader is a key reason the Bengals feel comfortable dropping 8 against Mahomes.

I'm just saying.

So Mazi Smith is Reader now?

Direckshun 04-21-2023 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16911130)
So Mazi Smith is Reader now?

That's been my argument.

Direckshun 04-21-2023 09:45 AM

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O.city 04-21-2023 09:49 AM

If he doesn't develop into a reliable inside rusher, yeah, I'm not a huge fan. The tools and athleticism are there, so I don't see why we couldn't project that out.

Direckshun 04-21-2023 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16911141)
If he doesn't develop into a reliable inside rusher, yeah, I'm not a huge fan. The tools and athleticism are there, so I don't see why we couldn't project that out.

If you play him the snaps Saunders got last year, he gets 3-4 sacks.

I think he's usable in passing downs, but you probably are yanking him off the field for Turk Wharton or Mike Danna on 3rd and long.


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