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Warrick 04-25-2023 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 16915987)
Had to go dumpster diving to find this tweet from ages ago but see for yourself.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Receiving yards % by route for Jalin Hyatt, JSN, Jordan Addison and Quentin Johnson (2021-22, via PFF) <a href="https://t.co/ZmwXMnSCHe">pic.twitter.com/ZmwXMnSCHe</a></p>&mdash; Austin Gayle (@austingayle_) <a href="https://twitter.com/austingayle_/status/1625967430706274304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

As I said before, we do not know if it was a “wasn’t asked to do” rather than “can’t do” situation. I get Heupel’s offense ran a bunch of deep choice stuff and Hyatt was forced into running a lot of flys. But with all these unknowns it just remains to be seen why you'd take him when there may be better options without as many question marks. I'm not even opposed to taking him, I just see better value elsewhere personally.

Quentin's body of work looks like a better fit for the Chiefs than Hyatts according to that graph.

staylor26 04-25-2023 03:21 PM

This is more in line with what you see on tape:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jalin Hyatt had a reputation as a deep threat in Knoxville, averaging 18.9 yards per reception in 2022. <br><br>He validated that reputation at the 2023 NFL Combine, reaching the 3rd-fastest top speed (24.29 MPH) of the 208 players who were tracked during the forty-yard dash. <a href="https://t.co/HA527junxA">pic.twitter.com/HA527junxA</a></p>&mdash; Next Gen Stats (@NextGenStats) <a href="https://twitter.com/NextGenStats/status/1650944117294379008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sure, he might just be an MVS type, but he could also be DeSean Jackson. I don't think people would be talking about him like they do if he times how people expected in the 40.

kccrow 04-25-2023 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 16915987)
Had to go dumpster diving to find this tweet from ages ago but see for yourself.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Receiving yards % by route for Jalin Hyatt, JSN, Jordan Addison and Quentin Johnson (2021-22, via PFF) <a href="https://t.co/ZmwXMnSCHe">pic.twitter.com/ZmwXMnSCHe</a></p>&mdash; Austin Gayle (@austingayle_) <a href="https://twitter.com/austingayle_/status/1625967430706274304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

As I said before, we do not know if it was a “wasn’t asked to do” rather than “can’t do” situation. I get Heupel’s offense ran a bunch of deep choice stuff and Hyatt was forced into running a lot of flys. But with all these unknowns it just remains to be seen why you'd take him when there may be better options without as many question marks. I'm not even opposed to taking him, I just see better value elsewhere personally.

This is meaningless in arguing he can't run other routes. Just because he gets the bulk of his yards on "fly" routes, and that can be vastly misinterpreted at that, it doesn't speak to the volume of routes he ran whatsoever or prove that he can't run other routes effectively. That's what I want.

Iconic 04-25-2023 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16916332)
This is meaningless in arguing he can't run other routes. Just because he gets the bulk of his yards on "fly" routes, and that can be vastly misinterpreted at that, it doesn't speak to the volume of routes he ran whatsoever or prove that he can't run other routes effectively. That's what I want.

It's not perfect, but it is somewhat indicative. There is also no evidence to suggest he can run other routes effectively, the tape at least to me, does not bare that out and neither do the stats. If he was running comebacks, curls, crossing, etc. routes as good as the go why did he do jack for two years and then suddenly with Heupel’s system change and go spamming, break out? Sure, we could operate on complete assumptions here and assume Hyatt is the second coming of Jerry Rice - that still begs the question of why, statistically, that does not show at all compared to his peers. I'm not a Hyatt hater, but to disregard this entirely is a little naïve.

kccrow 04-25-2023 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 16916370)
It's not perfect, but it is somewhat indicative. There is also no evidence to suggest he can run other routes effectively, the tape at least to me, does not bare that out and neither do the stats. If he was running comebacks, curls, crossing, etc. routes as good as the go why did he do jack for two years and then suddenly with Heupel’s system change and go spamming, break out? Sure, we could operate on complete assumptions here and assume Hyatt is the second coming of Jerry Rice - that still begs the question of why, statistically, that does not show at all compared to his peers. I'm not a Hyatt hater, but to disregard this entirely is a little naïve.

He ran a lot of crossers, overs, drags, and posts. I'm not sure why those would ever come into question. Reid doesn't ask much in terms of comebacks, curls, and hitches, especially from his Z. I don't think I'd start worrying about that much. Again, I've been presented with nothing that speaks to this narrative that he can't run routes. It's largely made up by people assuming all he did was run go routes, and because he didn't run a large volume of possession receiver-style routes. I wouldn't be drafting Hyatt to run curls all day. That doesn't take advantage of his greatest asset which is his speed and acceleration. Reid would never use him that way.

Rasputin 04-25-2023 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16915031)
Haven’t you heard? We’re trading up for a LT.

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Iconic 04-25-2023 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16916521)
He ran a lot of crossers, overs, drags, and posts. I'm not sure why those would ever come into question. Reid doesn't ask much in terms of comebacks, curls, and hitches, especially from his Z. I don't think I'd start worrying about that much. Again, I've been presented with nothing that speaks to this narrative that he can't run routes. It's largely made up by people assuming all he did was run go routes, and because he didn't run a large volume of possession receiver-style routes. I wouldn't be drafting Hyatt to run curls all day. That doesn't take advantage of his greatest asset which is his speed and acceleration. Reid would never use him that way.

Never said he cannot run routes, I said his route tree isn't fleshed out. Did you watch the Bama game? His bread and butter was free releases off go routes from stack formations with DBs playing 15 yards back. I don't see how this is consistently translatable to the NFL and worthy of a first? How likely is it Reid will be able to consistently contrive these looks for him to warrent a first round selection? If playing WR was that easy, and all you needed was elite speed with a coach to scheme free releases, Ross is a HOFer right now. I counted a single route in that game where he set up a nice contested catch from a red zone slant off a jab step. Literally one, in his best game of the season. Yes, there's a significant number of draft pundits questioning him as a route runner, I mean guys who do this for a living like Steve Smith saying these things. Maybe they are all making assumptions, but I find that very hard to believe. To each their own I guess.


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