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mr. tegu 08-19-2024 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ljmhawk (Post 17637308)
i would just boot it out of the end zone and give them the ball at the 30…why even risk a chance at a huge return with the new dumb kickoff rule?


It goes to the 35 in that scenario.

Megatron96 08-19-2024 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17637283)
That’s basically what Butker is doing with creating weird angles and bounces. Really low flat kicks are risky though because they are harder to control and they would be much more likely to land before the 20 yard line, which if that happens then the ball comes all the way out to the 40 yard line.



Exactly. And what Butker/Toub are trying to do is force the returner to delay his decision on whether to return it or not to the last possible moment, as well as making fielding the ball as difficult as possible. That can lead to mistakes, and gives the tacklers more time to close the distance, which should lead to shorter returns, or even opportunities for a turnover.

Pitt Gorilla 08-19-2024 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17637284)
Not sure if this deserves its own thread, so putting it here. Apparently, Noah Gray had no previous experience snapping the ball before the game. Toub coached Noah on how to snap the ball on the sidelines, and to his credit, Noah figured it out well enough to adequately sub-in for Winchester after he injured his shoulder.


We have some great couches on this staff. Just saying.

That's pretty amazing. Also makes me wonder if we REALLY need to roster a LS long-term.

Megatron96 08-19-2024 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 17637378)
That's pretty amazing. Also makes me wonder if we REALLY need to roster a LS long-term.



Dunno. My guess is that there's more to it than can be taught in a few minutes. But I think the great thing is, if Winchester goes down in an actual game, we have a guy that's done it before waiting in the wings, if necessary. Kind of like Justin Reid being able to kick a FG if necessary. Though I'd guess that if it really came down to that, they'd just have Creed do it in a real game.

Bob Dole 08-19-2024 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 17637378)
That's pretty amazing. Also makes me wonder if we REALLY need to roster a LS long-term.

Bring back Jared Allen?

Bob Dole 08-19-2024 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17637458)
Dunno. My guess is that there's more to it than can be taught in a few minutes. But I think the great thing is, if Winchester goes down in an actual game, we have a guy that's done it before waiting in the wings, if necessary. Kind of like Justin Reid being able to kick a FG if necessary. Though I'd guess that if it really came down to that, they'd just have Creed do it in a real game.

Kelce is the backup LS.

Chargem 08-19-2024 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17637313)
It goes to the 35 in that scenario.

Is that official? It was 30 for the start of the pre season, I know there was some talk about if it should be the 30 or the 35

Chargem 08-19-2024 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17637283)
That’s basically what Butker is doing with creating weird angles and bounces. Really low flat kicks are risky though because they are harder to control and they would be much more likely to land before the 20 yard line, which if that happens then the ball comes all the way out to the 40 yard line.

I'd call a zone 20 yards deep wider than the broad side of a barn

Megatron96 08-19-2024 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 17637643)
I'd call a zone 20 yards deep wider than the broad side of a barn



Uh huh. Kicked a lot of kickoffs, have you?

mr. tegu 08-19-2024 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 17637643)
I'd call a zone 20 yards deep wider than the broad side of a barn


If the receiving team touches a kick in the air to knock it down before the 20/landing zone then the receiving team gets the ball at the 40 yard line. I think it’s just going to be too risky for teams to try flat and low hard kicks. It’s one of those things that if we don’t see it, it’s because teams have tried it in practice and found it unreliable. Maybe we will see it when a kicking team is looking for a higher potential reward late in a game, hoping for fumbles or misplays or something. Butker’s method of weird spin and placement would appear much more repeatable and reliable.

Rainbarrel 08-19-2024 06:56 PM

Spin the front page wheel and drop this here:

Reid characterized Winchester’s injury as a sprain of the AC joint of his shoulder. Tight end Noah Gray stepped in for Winchester after he was injured, but Reid said the team had signed a player to take Winchester’s place until he is ready to return.

When practice began, that long snapper was revealed to be Kansas State product Randen Plattner, a native of Parkville, Missouri who first joined the league in June as an undrafted free agent for the Baltimore Ravens. He checks in at 6 feet 3 and 241 pounds.

To open a roster spot for Plattner, the team waived McKade Mettauer with an injury designation. The UDFA offensive lineman tore an MCL in the preseason Week 1 game against the Jacksonville Jaguars.

penguinz 08-20-2024 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17637755)
If the receiving team touches a kick in the air to knock it down before the 20/landing zone then the receiving team gets the ball at the 40 yard line. I think it’s just going to be too risky for teams to try flat and low hard kicks. It’s one of those things that if we don’t see it, it’s because teams have tried it in practice and found it unreliable. Maybe we will see it when a kicking team is looking for a higher potential reward late in a game, hoping for fumbles or misplays or something. Butker’s method of weird spin and placement would appear much more repeatable and reliable.

Can't happen...


All players in the setup zone cannot move until the kick has hit the ground or a player in the landing zone or the end zone

mr. tegu 08-20-2024 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 17638952)
Can't happen...


All players in the setup zone cannot move until the kick has hit the ground or a player in the landing zone or the end zone


They can reach out and knock the ball down without moving.

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Receiving players in the setup zone can deflect/knock a low kick down if they keep their feet on the ground. If that deflection prevents the ball from reaching the landing zone or the end zone, the kick will be penalized as a kick that did not reach the landing zone or end zone.
https://www.footballzebras.com/2024/...-kickoff-rule/

dlphg9 08-20-2024 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17637153)
We dog Toub but I'm glad we have him with all the rule changes making ST a much bigger part of the game.

What's this "we' stuff? I've never dogged on him.

PHOG 08-20-2024 12:35 PM

All these KO rules read like a playground or backyard football game.


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