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O.city 12-10-2024 11:16 AM

You don't know what holes you have until they're gaping.

Just keep stacking good players wherever you can.

htismaqe 12-10-2024 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17852004)
Taking guys that can't play is the quickest way to end a dynasty.

That's not the point. Spending high picks on guards when you need skill players is dumb. Yeah, let's follow the Chargers blueprint. Sure worked for them since they are 0-2 against a team with no outside pass rushers.

htismaqe 12-10-2024 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17852041)
Yeah I'm starting to think chasing positional value even isn't worth the squeeze unless it's your BPA.

Puka Nacua is a high positional value, elite player taken in the fifth round. He looked really good in college. There's a guy like that every year at the WR, CB, or pass rusher positions. If not a few.

Creed and Bolton were not high value positions but I'd make those picks again every single time. Get really good players and let the coaches figure out how to win with them.

Creed and Bolton were both 2nd rounders. Take a guard there if you want - I wouldn't but that's just me.

This team lacks explosion. That last thing they need to do is turtle up.

RunKC 12-10-2024 12:26 PM

It needs to be a corner, pass rusher or tackle in rd 1.

But either way they can’t keep blowing these early picks and getting nothing from them. They need someone to bring something the table as a rookie

O.city 12-10-2024 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17852103)
That's not the point. Spending high picks on guards when you need skill players is dumb. Yeah, let's follow the Chargers blueprint. Sure worked for them since they are 0-2 against a team with no outside pass rushers.

They were a 5 win team last year, drafting what, 7th?

Seems like they did the smart thing.

smithandrew051 12-10-2024 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17852134)
It needs to be a corner, pass rusher or tackle in rd 1.

But either way they can’t keep blowing these early picks and getting nothing from them. They need someone to bring something the table as a rookie

3 of the last 4 first round picks have been contributors right away.

O.city 12-10-2024 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17852134)
It needs to be a corner, pass rusher or tackle in rd 1.

But either way they can’t keep blowing these early picks and getting nothing from them. They need someone to bring something the table as a rookie

Their first round pick WR is getting open. Seems to be doing fine.

Most rookies aren't gonna be hits right off the bat, especially where we draft. They need good football players. The rest will sort itself out.

RunKC 12-10-2024 12:33 PM

Referring to FAU and Kingsley. They were developmental players. I get the swing and missed but man they need their 1st 2 picks out there producing year 1.

Sucks but thats needed in the NFL.

htismaqe 12-10-2024 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17852140)
They were a 5 win team last year, drafting what, 7th?

Seems like they did the smart thing.

They have 3 first round picks on their offensive line. They're a Martyball team. If you're excited by that, I don't know what to tell you. It isn't ****ing 1995 anymore.

smithandrew051 12-10-2024 12:34 PM

And really the last 4 second rounds haven’t been too bad either:

Bolton and Humphrey
Moore and Cook
Rice
Kingsley

Moore is a bad bust. Kingsley is an incomplete grade as of now.

Cook was an okay pick. The other 3 were great picks.

htismaqe 12-10-2024 12:35 PM

I mean the Colts spent a ton of resources to protect Andrew Luck and he still got the shit beat outta him and retired way too soon.

smithandrew051 12-10-2024 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17852155)
I mean the Colts spent a ton of resources to protect Andrew Luck and he still got the shit beat outta him and retired way too soon.

His last year was the best protection of his career. He was only sacked like 15 times.

He still came away with an injury.

That’s more of a Luck issue than anything (no pun intended).

RunKC 12-10-2024 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17852144)
Their first round pick WR is getting open. Seems to be doing fine.

Most rookies aren't gonna be hits right off the bat, especially where we draft. They need good football players. The rest will sort itself out.

Worthy is a star in the making. Kingsley could be moved to RG from what we’ve heard.

NFL is very unforgiving even with one bad year. We all love Spags and Merritt but it’s not been a great year for them aside from Hicks.

Nazeeh isn’t playable, Williams was in the dog house, Conner has struggled mightily in the slot and their day 3 rookie Kamal Hadden didn’t even make it through camp.

It’s not just defense. Kingsley and Wanya haven’t worked out and it’s crippled the offense

htismaqe 12-10-2024 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17852158)
His last year was the best protection of his career. He was only sacked like 15 times.

He still came away with an injury.

That’s more of a Luck issue than anything (no pun intended).

My point was to show there are no guarantees. They could spend their entire draft on offensive line and still not have enough.

This team makes ZERO big plays anymore. No bombs, no INTs, no sacks, no breakaway runs, nothing.

They've already spent a ridiculous amount of resources on the offensive line. They need to get splash players.

O.city 12-10-2024 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17852151)
They have 3 first round picks on their offensive line. They're a Martyball team. If you're excited by that, I don't know what to tell you. It isn't ****ing 1995 anymore.

It's the first year of their new staff rebuild. I'd guess they're ahead of schedule.

Plus they've got the QB part, which is always the limiting factor.


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