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smithandrew051 01-03-2025 11:30 AM
I struggle with Bolton.

On one hand, the product on the field probably doesn’t justify what he’ll get paid.

On the other, I don’t love when we completely ignore the intangible side of the game. I still cringe thinking about Berry yelling at other guys to get lined up correctly in the AFCCG against the Patriots. His body was gone by that point, but those other players were lost. Bolton sure seems to “get it” even with his limitations as a player.

I guess I’ll just trust whatever value Veach gives him.

If we’re going into a mini-reset, then I’m 100% out on paying him.

Direckshun 01-03-2025 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17888269)
Agree with almost everything Verderame said today.

-Offer Bolton the Patrick Queen contract (3/$41 million). With inflation that’s $14 million. Fine with that bc the structure could work out to below $14 million for duration of the contract.

-He thinks you unload for Trey Smith, extend Thuney and cut Taylor after next season which would save $13 million in 2026, the. He’s off the books in 2027. Thuney would be a short 3 year (add 2 years) while Trey is a 5 year deal to spread the cap hits so you don’t have these guys hitting at the same time.

-Play Kingsley at G and Wanya at RT in Denver to get a long look at both. Thinks Kingsley is a G and not a tackle. If Trey leaves he should be the first one up to play RG.

-Draft a Tackle rd 1
Where was his pod posted?

RunKC 01-03-2025 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17888363)
Based on the rest of that sentence and references to cap hits, I think that means to sign him.

Which, I think is an awful idea.
Yeah I don’t agree with signing Trey. His reasoning is that you can cut Jawaan a year after and use that money to pay Trey while keeping Thuney. His other reasoning is why make the OL worse if you can sign him?

I do agree with him about tackle. I think they are gonna be looking again and see if one is worth it in the 1st rd, especially if they keep Omenihu

Chris Meck 01-04-2025 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17888375)
I struggle with Bolton.

On one hand, the product on the field probably doesn’t justify what he’ll get paid.

On the other, I don’t love when we completely ignore the intangible side of the game. I still cringe thinking about Berry yelling at other guys to get lined up correctly in the AFCCG against the Patriots. His body was gone by that point, but those other players were lost. Bolton sure seems to “get it” even with his limitations as a player.

I guess I’ll just trust whatever value Veach gives him.

If we’re going into a mini-reset, then I’m 100% out on paying him.
I think you kind of have to, don't you? We either threepeat or we don't, but you have two great young WR talents and the best QB on the planet moving forward. You need to invest heavily in protecting him and that's going to require serious draft and/or FA investment in the OL. I think you have to go young and cheap on defense while paying Jones and with Mcduffie coming up.

I don't think it's wise to pay Smith at top of the market money OG's can be drafted. I don't think it's wise to pay Bolton top dollar. I think you let Reid walk.

If it's ME, I'm settling the OT spots no matter what, and drafting to rebuild the defense this offseason.

htismaqe 01-05-2025 08:31 AM
The thing about Bolton is that, while he's somewhat limited physically, he's the brains of the entire defense. If they're going to sign one of them, it damn well better be Bolton. Let Trey walk.

Chris Meck 01-05-2025 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17891342)
The thing about Bolton is that, while he's somewhat limited physically, he's the brains of the entire defense. If they're going to sign one of them, it damn well better be Bolton. Let Trey walk.
I agree that you're probably letting Trey walk no matter what.

I'm not sold on paying Bolton big money.

I'd be willing to take a step back on defense to have the offensive line settled.

htismaqe 01-05-2025 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17891400)
I agree that you're probably letting Trey walk no matter what.

I'm not sold on paying Bolton big money.

I'd be willing to take a step back on defense to have the offensive line settled.
For sure. I just don't see where we are going to find tackles in FA, though. They're going to have to come from the draft.

RunKC 01-05-2025 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17891342)
The thing about Bolton is that, while he's somewhat limited physically, he's the brains of the entire defense. If they're going to sign one of them, it damn well better be Bolton. Let Trey walk.
Tranquill sure is a nice consolation prize. He’s really smart and would be better served in the middle with his speed declining a bit. Wouldn’t be the end of the world.

I think they are going to draft an OL in the first round 2 rds. OT if one is there and likely a G to replace Trey if they lose him and OT is not attainable in rd 1

smithandrew051 01-05-2025 12:04 PM
While I don’t want to give Bolton big money, I also don’t want to go back to the Hitchens/Niemann/Ragland days.

At least we’re getting a good player for the money in Bolton, unlike Hitchens.

Couch-Potato 01-05-2025 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17891651)
While I don’t want to give Bolton big money, I also don’t want to go back to the Hitchens/Niemann/Ragland days.

At least we’re getting a good player for the money in Bolton, unlike Hitchens.
Did some tinkering in Spotrac’s Cap Simulator this weekend and seems like Veach can probably keep whoever he wants in FA. Considering a potential restructuring of Thuney or Mahomes contract(s), signing bonus flexibility, annual league cap increases, championship team discounts, and significant cap room in 2026, feels like Veach is in a healthy position to do whatever he wants.

Yeah…yeah… I already hear some of our more conservative fans spouting off about "kicking the can” etc but we’re on a legendary run and we should capitalize while Mahomes is our QB. If the chickens come to roost for a few years after he leaves, I think we’d be fine with that considering all the rings.

RunKC 01-06-2025 11:58 AM
Don’t be surprised if the Chiefs use the 64th or 66th pick on a replacement for whoever they lose between Bolton or Trey.

Didn’t like the depth they had out there yesterday

Mecca 01-06-2025 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17895594)
Don’t be surprised if the Chiefs use the 64th or 66th pick on a replacement for whoever they lose between Bolton or Trey.

Didn’t like the depth they had out there yesterday
This is a god awful LB draft, if we're going on keeping or replacing just based on depth and ease, Bolton returns and Smith doesn't...Bolton's also likely a lot cheaper.

I also think Wanya Morris can step into RG and do fine.

kccrow 01-06-2025 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17895797)
This is a god awful LB draft, if we're going on keeping or replacing just based on depth and ease, Bolton returns and Smith doesn't...Bolton's also likely a lot cheaper.

I also think Wanya Morris can step into RG and do fine.
I think it's a better LB draft than last year. Also seeing about 8 LBs ranked in the top 100. 6 went in the top 100 last year.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-06-2025 07:52 PM
Let’s see who earns the money in the playoffs….

If Bolton balls out along with the D as a whole, I’d give him some serious cash. Think the intangible value is real.

Dunerdr 01-07-2025 02:05 PM
I really hate using injury as a reason because most of them are freak circumstances and nothing to do with someones actual health or ability but Boltons missed time does worry me a little. He's been dinged up every season and in a position that just eats contact.


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