I'm definitely not as high on Harbaugh as some. He's very similar to his brother. He better hope they can build a good defense because the way he runs his offense isn't going to win many, if any, championships, despite the presence of Herbert.

john or jim? i think john is overrated at this point

Oh, well I was actually talking about John lol

If you look at some of the numbers, Tomlin has actually been better than John Harbaugh.

Been a little while since we had this debate but I think Tomlin is far better in the regular season and Harbaugh is slightly better in the postseason.

Sorry, I definitely meant John.

John Harbaugh is the same ceo type head coach that is entirely dependent on his coordinators to do the xs and os.

John's always been a fair bit more high variance, but they're very similar in their approach.

To John's credit, The Ravens were in pretty sharp decline under Billick when he took over. He took over a 5-11 football team and then with a QB he drafted/developed, turned them into a perennial playoff team overnight and won a SB with them. He went THROUGH Foxborough to get there, no less -- the only team to beat Brady at home in the playoffs, right? Or at least during those prime years?

Then as Flacco aged out, he drafted/developed a NEW young quarterback who's won MVPs. He's hired strong assistants who have rebuilt that offense and that defense a couple of different times. The 'detail stuff' like special teams is typically better under Harbaugh than it's been under Tomlin.

The things that his particular style of coach is supposed to do (the CEO type) he's done a little better than Tomlin pretty much across the board.

Tomlin took over a team with a young QB who'd already won a championship. That had an established, championship coaching staff essentially pre-built around him with Arians and LeBeau already on staff. And has won all of 3 playoff games since 2010.

And I'm not gonna Stan for Harbaugh's coaching genius either, especially not in the post-season. But when you look at the job he took over and the way that team has been built/rebuilt, i think he's demonstrated more than Tomlin. Not a lot, but a little.

I'd hate to live off the difference either way.

Harbaugh is a great coach