TEX,

You either compare a total body of work to another total body of work or you quit trying. Just b/c TG has only played 7 years, you can't just say compare those 7 to Sharpe's first 7 or last 7. Hell, why not take the best 7 and see what happens.

Gonzo has been healthy through 7 years and he started early as a rookie - that's great for him. Sharpe did not start early as a rookie and injuries were a factor in a couple of years. So, compare the totals ... not various chapters.

The cases are similar. I think a case can be made for Davis, but he is not a shoe-in, and frankly I don't think he deserves it. Had he two more years of Davisesqe performance, then yeah, he'd be a lock.

For the record, I don't think Davis should get in ... but I could build a case for it. :clap:

I've only been here for 5 years and paid the Chiefs no mind at all before arriving, so I may be wrong about this, but I don't think Gonzalez started as a rookie.

Ok.....exactly when would the current marked be smashed? How many yards? TD's? No question Gonzo will smash that, but you have to wonder if he'll even be a Chief by then.

| 1997 kan | 16 | 33 368 11.2 2 |
| 1998 kan | 16 | 59 621 10.5 2 |
| 1999 kan | 15 | 76 849 11.2 11 |
| 2000 kan | 15 | 93 1203 12.9 9 |
| 2001 kan | 16 | 73 917 12.6 6 |
| 2002 kan | 16 | 63 773 12.3 7 |
| 2003 kan | 16 | 71 915 12.9 10

I shouldn't have implied that he was the main starter... he saw as much action his first year as Sharpe did his first two years.

Here's the current Hall of Fame Tight Ends.

Modern Era: Tight Ends (6)

Dave Casper 1974-1984
Mike Ditka 1961-1972
John Mackey 1963-1972 Ozzie Newsome 1978-1990
Jackie Smith 1963-1978
Kellen Winslow 1979-1987


I threw TC in here as well.

Dave Casper 5 time PB

1974 oak | 14 | 4 26 6.5 3 |
| 1975 oak | 14 | 5 71 14.2 1 |
| 1976 oak | 13 | 53 691 13.0 10 |
| 1977 oak | 14 | 48 584 12.2 6 |
| 1978 oak | 16 | 62 852 13.7 9 |
| 1979 oak | 15 | 57 771 13.5 3 |
| 1980 hou | 10 | 34 526 15.5 3 |
| 1980 oak | 6 | 22 270 12.3 1 |
| 1981 hou | 16 | 33 572 17.3 8 |
| 1982 hou | 9 | 36 573 15.9 6 |
| 1983 min | 10 | 13 172 13.2 0 |
| 1983 hou | 3 | 7 79 11.3 0 |
| 1984 rai | 7 | 4 29 7.2 2 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 147 | 378 5216 13.8 52 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+



MIke Ditka 5 time PB

1961 chi | 14 | 56 1076 19.2 12 |
| 1962 chi | 14 | 58 904 15.6 5 |
| 1963 chi | 14 | 59 794 13.5 8 |
| 1964 chi | 14 | 75 897 12.0 5 |
| 1965 chi | 14 | 36 454 12.6 2 |
| 1966 chi | 14 | 32 378 11.8 2 |
| 1967 phi | 9 | 26 274 10.5 2 |
| 1968 phi | 11 | 13 111 8.5 2 |
| 1969 dal | 12 | 17 268 15.8 3 |
| 1970 dal | 14 | 8 98 12.2 0 |
| 1971 dal | 14 | 30 360 12.0 1 |
| 1972 dal | 14 | 17 198 11.6 1 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 158 | 427 5812 13.6 43

Todd Christensen 5 time PB

1979 nyg | 1 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1979 oak | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1980 oak | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1981 oak | 16 | 8 115 14.4 2 |
| 1982 rai | 9 | 42 510 12.1 4 |
| 1983 rai | 16 | 92 1247 13.6 12 |
| 1984 rai | 16 | 80 1007 12.6 7 |
| 1985 rai | 16 | 82 987 12.0 6 |
| 1986 rai | 16 | 95 1153 12.1 8 |
| 1987 rai | 12 | 47 663 14.1 2 |
| 1988 rai | 7 | 15 190 12.7 0 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 137 | 461 5872 12.7 41


John Mackey 5 time PB

1963 bal | 14 | 35 726 20.7 7 |
| 1964 bal | 14 | 22 406 18.5 2 |
| 1965 bal | 14 | 40 814 20.4 7 |
| 1966 bal | 14 | 50 829 16.6 9 |
| 1967 bal | 14 | 55 686 12.5 3 |
| 1968 bal | 14 | 45 644 14.3 5 |
| 1969 bal | 14 | 34 443 13.0 2 |
| 1970 bal | 14 | 28 435 15.5 3 |
| 1971 bal | 14 | 11 143 13.0 0 |
| 1972 sdg | 13 | 11 110 10.0 0 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 139 | 331 5236 15.8 38 |

Ozzie Newsome 3 time PB

1978 cle | 16 | 38 589 15.5 2 |
| 1979 cle | 16 | 55 781 14.2 9 |
| 1980 cle | 16 | 51 594 11.6 3 |
| 1981 cle | 16 | 69 1002 14.5 6 |
| 1982 cle | 9 | 49 633 12.9 3 |
| 1983 cle | 16 | 89 970 10.9 6 |
| 1984 cle | 16 | 89 1001 11.2 5 |
| 1985 cle | 16 | 62 711 11.5 5 |
| 1986 cle | 16 | 39 417 10.7 3 |
| 1987 cle | 13 | 34 375 11.0 0 |
| 1988 cle | 16 | 35 343 9.8 2 |
| 1989 cle | 16 | 29 324 11.2 1 |
| 1990 cle | 16 | 23 240 10.4 2 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 198 | 662 7980 12.1 47 |


Jackie Smith 5 time PB

1963 stl | 14 | 28 445 15.9 2 |
| 1964 stl | 14 | 47 657 14.0 4 |
| 1965 stl | 14 | 41 648 15.8 2 |
| 1966 stl | 14 | 45 810 18.0 3 |
| 1967 stl | 14 | 56 1205 21.5 9 |
| 1968 stl | 14 | 49 789 16.1 2 |
| 1969 stl | 14 | 43 561 13.0 1 |
| 1970 stl | 14 | 37 687 18.6 4 |
| 1971 stl | 9 | 21 379 18.0 4 |
| 1972 stl | 14 | 26 407 15.7 2 |
| 1973 stl | 14 | 41 600 14.6 1 |
| 1974 stl | 14 | 25 413 16.5 3 |
| 1975 stl | 9 | 13 246 18.9 2 |
| 1976 stl | 12 | 3 22 7.3 0 |
| 1977 stl | 14 | 5 49 9.8 1 |
| 1978 dal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 210 | 480 7918 16.5 40 |

Kellen Winslow 5 time PB

1979 sdg | 7 | 25 255 10.2 2 |
| 1980 sdg | 16 | 89 1290 14.5 9 |
| 1981 sdg | 16 | 88 1075 12.2 10 |
| 1982 sdg | 9 | 54 721 13.4 6 |
| 1983 sdg | 16 | 88 1172 13.3 8 |
| 1984 sdg | 7 | 55 663 12.1 2 |
| 1985 sdg | 10 | 25 318 12.7 0 |
| 1986 sdg | 16 | 64 728 11.4 5 |
| 1987 sdg | 12 | 53 519 9.8 3 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 109 | 541 6741 12.5 45 |

I think that Gonzo is the product of a system....



....a system that employs and focuses on crappy receivers. :p

Gonzo can break the TD record next year if he has a major year. Sharpe has it at 62. You do have to think the TE single season record is 12 done only 4 times.

I need to check on this but I think Gonzo has the best stats over the first 7 years then any tight end in history.

You could say that Sharpe is a product of the system as well.

I shudder to think of it, but he'd be even more dominant if we had better receivers. Right now he and Priest are the sole focus of defenses. Imagine what kind of havoc he could wreak if there was a legitimate threat (or, god forbid, threats) on the outside. No more being covered by #1 corners. A chance to find holes and seams in the middle of zones because he isn't bracketed on every play. It's really sad in a way. We saw a shadow of that in 2000, before DmiA went to shit.

How true this statement is.

I was being sarcastic. I do think that Gonzo has had one of if not the best first 7 years a TE has had. We'll see what happens.

This is also the main reason to be concerned about injuries ... he's avoided them well, but the wear and tear is building up.