Wow...fretting over 2006 already? No thanks, I'll enjoy this season first.

I think this one may be a record, Parker. ;)

I didn't compare Saunders to Martz in any way other than to suggest both were very good coordinators, considered by most to be the best.

I've never suggested Saunders is anything like Martz. However, that doesn't mean I think he can be successful.

It's not a given that we have to "blow up the team", you're right. However, it's a statistical probability in today's NFL. Look at the examples where continuity has been SUCCESSFUL by hiring a coordinator and now look what those teams had in terms of turnover of PLAYERS. That's not a luxury that exists in this age of parity.

C'mon Titus - you know this season is already over

Damn...I musta missed that one! Im slipping...

ok, I'll GO read a BOOK of statistics and figure out WHY we don't have THE luxury of HIRING a good coach...and MAYBE it will tell me what IT means to randomly CAPITALIZE words... :)

te bottom line is you don't want AS to be the next coach and others do, that's fine...but it has nothing to do with statistics or any other pseudo-rational approaches...

Htismaq,

You've convinced me. I now hope the Chiefs fire everybody, turn over 2/3 of their roster in the next 3 years so that the new head coach (who'd obviously be an inexperienced NFL head coach and who's name is not Al Saunders) can immediately implement his Master Plan of reaching the Super Bowl. Great! Sign me up! I'm already a bandwagon fan for the new Mystery Coach/Savior of the Chiefs! Woo-hoo!

BTW, EVERY team's goal is to win the Super Bowl, not just a few select teams, but EVERY team.

Dane

You could certainly argue both sides. Whatever "unknown" we would have with Saunders certainly wouldn't be lessened by hiring a college coach.

The problem I see with with giving Saunders the job is that too often these coords-turned-head-coach try too hard to continue what the team had going, only they don't have the talent to do it.

However many years Green may have left in him, odds are that he will be on the decline soon. Coupled with the loss of two HoF O-lineman, and it seems likely to come sooner rather than later. I don't want Saunders trying to bring in another QB that fits the style because it so rarely works.

Also, like I mentioned in an earlier post, the front office doesn't feel that Saunders (or Gun) are well suited to deal with the influx of youth and inexperience that this team is facing. That's where I think a young coach that focuses on fundamentals, and is more in tune with today's athletes will be more effective.

Meet the Bidwells.

I capitalize words for EMPHASIS. I use caps instead of italics because italics require the use of tags and I'm LAZY. :D

I never said we don't have the luxury of hiring a good coach. I'm saying a great percentage of the coordinators that have gone on to be great head coaches and won Super Bowls did so prior to this day and age of parity and free agency.

It does have to do with statistics -- the majority of great coordinators that go on to be head coaches never succeed. It's not pseudo-rational, it's cold hard fact.

But you are right, it all boils down to preference.

There's no reason to patronize me, unless you're intent on looking like an ass.

The Chiefs will turn over 2/3 of their roster in the next 3 years whether they, you, or I want them to. That is the nature of today's NFL and free agency. There's no such thing as roster continuity. And with the ages of some of the guys on offense, it's an inevitable reality.

I'm sorry you don't agree with my opinion. It's too bad you couldn't deal with it in a less childish fashion.

Oh man, are you going to get flamed.

Htismaq,

Come on Dude! I'm just teasing you! Look, we obviously don't agree about the future of the coaching staff, plain and simple. You don't agree with my side of the argument and I don't agree with yours. But I'd like to think that I can post a sarcastic statement with out being viewed as childlike.

Dane

Ah, ok. It's all good.

I think I'll be the 20th person in the last 2 days saying we need a sarcasm smilie.

Sorry about that. :thumb:

By the way, I said childISH, not child-LIKE.

Those are 2 pretty different things. :D

I am in agreement with Parker on this one. CP is in charge so he won't hire Al since they don't get along. The next head coach could/will be:

1. Herm Edwards
2. Bill Cowher
3. Stoops or Ferentz

CP will pick the guy he is most comfortable with and that aint Al.

I'm gonna be pissed if Raef LaFrentz is hired.

ROFL

Me too.

:banghead:

Damn brain fart.

ROFL

I recall reading an article about Saunders and his possible future as a HC, and one of the things he mentioned in answering questions was that he learned from his SD experience that rather than trying to continue doing what has worked in the past with different players, he should have, and will in future opportunities, adapt to the players he has.

I think what he has accomplished as the OC actually provides evidence that he learned that lesson well.

I agree.

If Herm Edwards is hired as HC, then I will go freakin' ballistic.
That MFer is the Marty clone.

I'm not particularly fond of the Bill Cowher idea, either.

I'm OK with Stoop or Ferentz, but I'm on the Hire Al bandwagon.

Was I the only one that saw the Marty family tree fall branch by branch last year in the playoffs? And all by the same way...playing low scoring, play not to lose ball. Wild Card game-- Marty tries to grind it out, runs three straight times on 30 yard line...misses field goal, OT, Jets go down and make the not so risky field goal. Next game--Herm Edwards falls after choking the lead away. Next game--Cowher falls--can't get players mentally ready for the challenge of facing defending champs. All of these things ala Marty. They all lost (even Marty himself, duh) in every way that Marty has lost playoff games. I found it very odd and kind of voodoo-ish. They all fell, in every way that Marty has--including the teacher himself. It was histerical. ROFL But maddening at the same time because I've been through that, we've all been through that.

Yeah, I saw it.

It actually kind of felt like watching The Twilight Zone.

We are going to be 3-0 going into the Phily game.... lets stop the worry.

lol, yep.

I'm repeating myself, but "Ditto!"...NO ****ING MARTY SPAWNS....I can not handle seeing the west coast offense back at Arrowhead...If I have to watch Herm's OC dial up a 3 yard swing pass on 3rd down I'll be forced to root for the Royals.

I agree with the premise that CP is not likely to hire AS. But if he hires Edwards it is right back to the ****ing dark ages. I'd much rather roll the dice with a college coach at that point.

I don't watch college ball real closely, but does anyone else think Stoops has a little bit of Butch Davis in him? By which I mean, his bullshit routine works in college but won't cut it with pro players...I don't know why I get a wierd vibe when I see Stoops.

excellent post...watching Marty succumb to his own weaknesses again was almost sad...but mostly funny...

And inevitable.

If we can beat Oakland and Denver back to back weeks on the road on national TV, you can start printing playoff tickets.

I think we have a great chance in doing so. If our offense can get off to a fast start, I think we could get to 4-0. I think at worst we'll be 3-1, with the sole loss being to Denver, but like I mentioned, if the ball bounces our way, we could get that game.

I do not think I could agree much more. :hail: :hail: rep

This has turned into a great thread, rep. :clap:

Holthus on Des Moines radio...8/3 update
 

First of all, I have to say -- Holthus has gone from a mediocre interview to BRUTAL. The guy is an idiot savant. He rambled on about his adoption of Iowa high school football teams (1A or 2A only) and the Earlham Cardinals. He talked about Pappajohn's Pizza (of course) and he went on and on about the possibility of Kirk Ferentz coaching both the Hawkeyes and Chiefs. :banghead:

Anyway, he did clarify or expound on a couple of his statements from previous interviews:

1) We have to get off to a good start this year. Yesterday, it was about the assistants looking for other jobs. Today it was the danger that a poor start would cause everybody -- players, coaches, and fans -- knowing that this is Vermeil's last year, to start discussing who the next coach would be instead of worrying about this season. I think from the brew-ha-ha yesterday we had on the very subject, despite the fact that the season hasn't even started, shows that he's probably right.

2) Ferentz being mentioned as a HC candidate. Bob Stoops would be in there too.

The only thing of substance that he talked about was YET ANOTHER back injury, this time to Jason Dunn.

It's just another day

Du du du du du du, it's just another day
Du du du du du du, it's just another day

I just talked to a Iowa Hawkeye fan & here's exactly what he said about Ferentz leaving:

Ferentz signed an eight year contract last year....he isn't leaving Iowa maybe because him and his wife didn't want to have to have their children move schools again. His contract expires the year their youngest son graduates college....besides he stated his dream job is the Pittsburgh Steelers, which he stated that is the ONLY place he would leave the Hawkeyes.

I'm a lifelong Hawkeye fan and this person has one thing right:

He won't leave Iowa for the NFL right now.

The one thing he has wrong:

He won't even leave for the Steelers job right now.

Holthus on Des Moines radio 8/4
 

Talking LBs mostly.

Said he doesn't think Woods or Fujita make the team, barring a string of injuries at either position.

That's about it. Short interview. Told interesting story about hot Svitek got to America.

I'd be surprised if Fujita got cut...you'd think he'd be a quality backup.

I was gonna post this when I got on this morning.

I think we should just make one thread and put each daily update in the thread starter. His interviews are short and contain very little good info.

In addition to his tidbits about Woods and Fujita not making the team, he thinks Iowa State will probably win the North. ROFL

If Fuji didn't make the team, who is K. Bell's backup?

My guess is Fox.

I wonder if ST play has something to do with it as well. I don't remember Fujita ever making any impression on ST.

KEEP F@KING DOUBTING IOWA ST8!!! :cuss:

My guess would be Stills........

Plus Fuji only has a 1 year contract, nothing big as far as cap hit. Gary Stills contributions to the ST's gives him an edge with ST's.

I've been expecting Woods to get cut all along. Now if Fujita is cut that may mean they think Barber is going to be ready sooner rather than later.

I agree, if Fuj doesn't make the cut, it's because they want Stills on ST bad enough, and perhaps he shows enough as a pass rush specialist from LB to keep him around. And don't forget, Barber probably will still be around on the PUP list, leaving some other OLB expendable.

Ok.

I thought Fox was playing 1st team on the other side, and now that Johnson has signed he was behind him. Maybe not.

With Bell's propensity for injuries, IMO, it would be a huge mistake to have Stills the backup as opposed to Fuji.

I don't think predicting ISU to win the north is much of a stretch. The North is weak and ISU is returning an absurd number of starters from the team that tied for 1st in the North last year. The only competition will be Colorado, and maybe Nebraska if they come together fast.

Doesn't Barber play that position ? Seems like They have barber in mind afterall. I was think'n he would be an injury settlement after week 6 if not healthy.

Fox, DJ and Fuj play on the same side.

I think that Bell, Still, Caver and Barber play on the other.

Does anyone know where Griffin plays?

It's hard to say if Fox is actually going to be the back up for a specific side, or if he'll just be the #3 LB, since we don't play weak/strong. I'd think that if he was a our third best LB, he could play either side.

I agree on not liking Stills for a back-up. Considering Fujita's price, I think he's probably as good a back-up as you can ask for. I'd rather let Barber go than wait around for him to get healthy. It's not like he's been that stellar when he did play.

On the practice squad.

With Fujita's experience and minimal contract, I think it would be foolish to cut him. He's actually one of KC's draft picks that has worked out.

Woods on the other hand, hasn't been practicing again because of the knee he hurt 2 years ago. He has fluid on it. I think it's time for Romey to hang the cleats up.

Hey, jsp, what do you think of just making this the "Mitch Holthus on Des Moines radio" update thread for the rest of camp?

Works for me.

There probably isn't enough content to justify a new thread every day. I actually think KXNO could stand to cut it back to twice a week or so, but Istill like getting a little bit of Chiefs talk every day.

I think it goes back to what Vermeil said the other day about having to give special consideration to guys that can play ST. He made it sound like they may be forced to keep guys that they otherwise wouldn't have, just because they can play ST.

Wondering why Fuj' couldn't play some Special Teams.

OK, I'm gonna edit the thread title a bit, just to reflect that this will be the ongoing Mitch Holthus thread...

So am I. He hasn't done it much in his career, but you'd think if he could start, he'd be capable of playing ST. I don't pretend to know what it takes to excell at ST, but it appears that Fuji may not have it.

I really can't think of another reason why he wouldn't make the team though. I seriously doubt he's flat out getting beat by Stills for the position.

I hope we keep him. I'm a bit of a Fuji homer, and even though I realize his days are probably numbered anyway, I have to think he'd be a very good back up.

ST's takes the right mentality. Not every NFL guy has that. I've said this many. many times, but Fuji is a very marginal player, whose overrated foot speed has never translated at football speed. JMHO

I don't buy into any of that at all. Fuj likes to hit, and can run. That's all you need to play ST's. Fujita may not be a great OLB, but he's solid. I don't think you throw away Fujita's of the football world.

Like I said, that's just my opinion, but has he ever played on ST's? I don't recall seeing him or hearning his name. Like I said, it's a different mentality, maybe he can adapt in order to save his spot on the team.

No doubt in my mind that he would make a solid backup.

I think it's a total joke. They tied for first in the worst year of the North's existance. How long has McCarney been there now? He's never won jack. They end up third at best.

I HATE the Sucklones and even I can see that they have a good chance.

Best defensive front 7 in the North. One of the best WR's in the conference. A sophomore QB that played well and started every game as a FRESHMAN.

What teams are going to finish ahead of them?

I don't know if he played for a stretch of time, but I have seen him several times on STs, most notably a few years ago against the Rams when he lept a defender on a punt to chase down the returner, saving a TD.

Good Lord did I butcher this thread...

From his KCChiefs.com profile...

Originally made an impact with the club as a valuable special teams contributor who has displayed his athletic ability by chasing down some of the league’s speediest return men

2002 Saw action on Special Teams in all 16 games

He also has several special teams tackles in 2004 mentioned in his bio.

yes

I think I've got it fixed now.

Don't forget their experienced defensive secondary. :)

Oh, don't think I don't know that.

But when you have one of the best DT tandems in the Big 12 and both last year's and the year before's Big 12 Defensive Newcomer of the Year in your front 7, that can tend to mask some deficencies in your secondary.

Fuji has played some ST's in the past, but not a regular since being pushed in as a starter.

I've said all along, IMHO, the OLB position is going to be the toughest position to weed out.

Tempting...very tempting.

resist the urge....it's not worth it.

I'll be driving through Iowa next week....what station outta Des Moines is this on & what time?

KXNO AM 1460.

If it's that tempting, put your money where your mouth is.

Name 2 teams in the North that have, definitively, less questions than Iowa State.

I see Colorado. Who's the other?

Missouri would be a heck of a squad if Pinkel wasn't in charge.

Still, the division belongs to 3 teams. Colorado, Nebraska, and Kansas State. It hasn't been any other way. Those are the 3 teams that will remain in contention for the North title.

:homer: