Or Hali Berry

Oh, that's good.

That's awesome.

I may be getting a little warmed up on Hali. I just think that we should have taken whatever trade was out there... and got him then anyway, or a WR or a CB...

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You post sacks, tackles, and tackles for loss.

And then you IGNORE the last 2 stats and focus solely on sacks.

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And we should trust their opinion on Hali why?

They can't even subtract. 2006 minus 1993 is THIRTEEN, not 20.

I was not one of those people. Last year was the first good draft we've had in a long time.

I've got nothing against Pollard personally, he just duplicates positions that we already have (SS) and doesn't fill our extreme need (CB)

earlier in the thread someone explains that he switched from DT to DE.

that makes some sense I guess.

Just think we could've had him 10 picks later, and even if we couldn't have, we would've gotten someone of similar talent to fill a need.

How in the hell do you know that? I think I just figured out who you really are.

I think you missed this post the 1st time too.

Let me point out that I remember seeing this same exact thing when we drafted Larry Johnson a few years ago.

I also notice that some of those same people were riding his dick towards victory lane several times last season.

I'm not sure CB is more of a need than a safety is. Even if KC were to draft Youboty, he would be lucky to play as a dime CB. I'm not sure he could beat out Walls, Battle, Sapp, Johnson, Hodge, etc. At least not immediately. Same goes for Pollard. Obviously there was a need for some CB depth, and a need for some safety depth. The KC war room must have felt that Pollard as the safety depth was better than Youboty being a Dime or Quarter CB.

You have to understand that Pollard is a phenom on special teams according to most. Maybe they felt Pollard brings more instant impact to the present?

No, no I didn't. I just want to give the guy a chance before sticking a fork in him. :shrug:

Exactly. I learned my lesson when LJ did got his chance.

We shouldn't be drafting special teamers in the 2nd round. That's what the fifth round is for.

Most 2nd rounders always come in and play Special Teams. You missed the point however....Youboty or Pollard, they both are just depth for the time being.

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Well Done t.T.C!

moving up like ATL did and taking Jimmy Williams wouldn't have been depth. He'd have started for us, hell he'll probably start for ATL.

What's your problem dude? We pick #20. Reach or not, I'm stoked we got this guy. I'm glad they went D-line first instead of CB.

This happens every year.

It's usually deserved, but I really think they did well this year.

Did you happen to watch our special teams last year?

It is a bit of a reflex that has been indoctrinated over the years.

I'm calming down a bit, by my fear at CB is still making me a little paranoid.

Of if he's a bust, or gets into legal trouble....

Hali Burton.

Alias is a SHOW about a spy! :eek:

dont be afraid, thats what law is for. hali is a great pick. so is pollard. lack of a trade partner may have prevented us from getting a better cornerback or baa, but these picks are fine considering the run on defense in the first two rounds. I like pollards size, hali is a bit short but what a motor, and croyle will be efficient in our offense if we work to minimize his mistakes and bring him along slowly. We do not need croyle to be joe montana II to win football games, it would be nice, but we can pound theopposing defense into meat with l.j.

"they" said Dwight Freeney was too small for DE.
"they" said Jared Allen was too weak because he did less reps in the bench press than Hali".

"they" said it wasn't herpes.

wait.

where is the delete button.

I feel great about today.

I really do believe it is a fun time to be a fan of this team.

"They" should stop speaking in a muffled tone due to cranial-rectal inversion.

Hell, "they" didn't even know who Jared Allen was three years ago.

This is a really, really exciting draft so far.

I'm liking it.
I'm not liking Denver landing an unmentioned WR, I'm not liking Huff in Oakland.....

It'll be a year before we have any clue as to the value of today, and 3 years before we have a legitimate grade on the draft.

Tomorrow could be Supah!

hell, Jered Allen was a nobody and now everyone loves him, Hali has the same kind of style, what w/ a awesome motor and good size, he could end up being better than Allen for all we know, I like it and i'll give the guy a shot for a few years .

One great thing about him (which may have been addressed and looked over by me) is that he's still learning by leaps and bounds, having not been familiar with the game as long as most draftees. Plus, anyone who saw his bit on ESPN will know this is NOT the guy who will lose his work ethic once hitting the NFL. This guy's seen horrors 99.9% of Americans could only dream of or watch on TV. He will never take his talent for granted or be satisfied with mediocrity, IMO.

Every year I hear the analysts say the difference between an allstar and a regular player is desire and passion, two things that this player should have in every sense of the word.

Moooo

On the NFL Network, they showed Hali getting stoned by any big tackle who got his hands on him. Even tackles that were projected to go late on the second day seemed to stop him.

Psssst Hali...wanna bong hit?

You know what, we needed a pass rusher. This guy is a good one. Pass defense begins and ends with the rush. I swear we could of drafted Jesus Christ himself and some of you would complain that we took him too soon. It is what it is, and I think we took a very safe, solid pick at #20.

There was a reason that most draft insiders had him slotted to go in the second round.

I imagine it was the empirical nature of the draft.

And there's a reason that gal in your avatar is still on the show.
Boobies and blowjob fantasies.

While I hate the pick I'm not going to give a fat frog's ass what "insiders" thought about it...

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They also said Reggie Bush would be pick #1. Any before 9:15 A.M. PST on draft day is nothing but speculation. This was a solid pick. It gives offenses someone else to worry about other than J. Allen. I don't care what any of you nay sayers say, this could help us in a major way.

But the Insider's said...

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/image...8/7245_512.jpg

I really do hope that he becomes a great player. I only saw him in college a couple of times, and on the NFL network. I just didn't see a first round draft pick. But I am obviously no expert.

I love the Chiefs, and desperately want them to win a SB before I die. With CP as the GM, that will never happen. [Please Carl, make me eat those words.]

My problem is with his strength. He gets mauled vs. anyone with a big body.

Against the best in the senior work outs he looked like TP vs. Tequilla shits...

This I can't help but agree with you on. But I think rnd 1 and rnd 2 were good picks, and filled holes that needed filling desperately.

All I want for is for the offense to hold on one more year, and for once our defense to stand up for themselves. Tired of a pansy ass defense that no one respects. Maybe Hali and Allen become one of the most feared DE duos in the league with a LB crew to back them up, assuming Bell realises that he is playing football and decides to do something about it.

You can increase strength. You can't increase intensity.

Exactly, this kid sounds like he has a real good head on his shoulders, he can gain more muscle and become a badass, esp since his head seems to be in the right place. He isn't a lazy jerkoff like some Dlineman we know.

Your 1st round pick should be a luxury car.

You should be able to sit down, relax, and be comfortable.

I don't feel that way.

let's see how he practices against Roaf before we write his NFL obit.

Seems fair...

I don't know about that... not how far down we picked. Heck, a lot of people wanted Cromartie... he went the pick before ours, and he is 10 times the project Hali is. I actually thought that's what this pick was, the most safe and comfortable pick. Not a Cromartie who still just needs reps, to a guy like Lawson who only weighs 240. I think Hali was a very "safe" pick.

Lawson is probably another Sims, who benefited from a monster on that line. Cromartie hasnt played sicne when?

I agree, but he will be moving to LB in the NFL.

Ok, now yer just throwing beans at me across the table...

Actually I agree with tk13. At that point you can get great players still, but this was a solid pick. The guy is smart, and has a motor, and has some physical talent. Strength can be improved. Allen isnt the strongest of guys, but he is a monster, why?

I don't like being the guy to argue against the underdog, it's just not me.

I hope he proves me wrong.

How's that? :)

I think Hali (along with Allen) will really kick up the play of everyone on the D-line.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see how he pans out, huh?

Nah, haven't you heard Herm's gonna trade him for Ty Law.

He's a pacifist, and wouldn't lay the wood!

It's gonna be hard to take a post by someone named "Mooo" seriously, but nice post, n00b.

I agree.

I don't think God with a bull-whip could "kick up the play" of Sims or See-a-v. On the other hand I can live with the pick. Going into the draft I was just hoping for anyone besides a midget CB (see Tye Hill) trying to cover the likes of Randy Moss.

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o:-)

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Haha...

Yeah, Hill is very athletic but against taller receivers he's a definite liability - then again, the entire KC secondary is a liability (with a few notable exceptions, of course).

I like what I've seen from Hali and I think he'll be quite productive for us. :hmmm:

No kidding! I remember when we had "Mighty Mouse" back in the day and how he would get spanked for winning touchdowns on a regular basis. :shake: Oh how I hated that little bastard. :cuss: I can't remember which game it was, but he got smoked for a TD at the end of one of the games and cost me a new TV set. I was so pissed off that I tossed the remote at the TV and inploded it. WTF, I was due for a new one, but now I have a nice 65 inch and don't need another five foot two inch CB putting it in harms way. :p

I didn't see any of those complete players with no drawbacks or knocks on them at all sitting there waiting for us at #20.

Tye Hill is not a midget. He's 5'10".

Ty Law lists at 5'11".
Patrick Surtain lists at 5'11".

Are people aware that not every good NFL cornerback is 6'6"?

Of course...every pick is either a reach or a bust for most of the clowns around here.

There is always a website with another clown who knows equally little about each of these guys to confirm all doubts.

Look at the young man's production. He's an All-American playing DE at Penn State. I'd say there's a decent chance he will be better than most of you think he will be.

However, I know that is matters less than being able to say a year from now..."see, I told all of you that Hali would suck...!"

as usual chiefs are always in a pickle during the draft b/c they are just good enough to place them out of reach of the better players during each round. 20th pick suxs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

given where we are in the draft pure luck plays a big part of who we get and if he'll make a difference in the short run and long run. Larry Johnson is a great example of this.

Exactly. He was a 1st team all American, he has at least something to offer.

It's a lot easier to run to the computer sniffling and snorting, hoping desperately to be the first guy to post a Damnit Carl :cuss: thread. If Tamba turns into a bust, you can say "seeeeeee!!!! I told youuuu!!!!". But if he turns out to be great, you just get away with "eh, I'm glad I was wrong."

We can Bump this thread after Tamba Registers his first 3 sacks, I hope wright is Shakin in his boots

We play Detroit this year?

I'll take a first-team All-American out of the Big 10leven at #20 most of the time, so I'm happy with the pick. I'm sick of guys slipping in the draft when no games are being played. This guy was rated as high as a top 10 pick right after the college season and then slipped during the workouts. If the workout numbers are so important, then tons of hall-of-famers wouldn't have seen an NFL field. It's one thing to be strong and fast, it's another to be able to play the game of football.

The Chief's improve statistically and visually on run defense. The passing game though was hampered by a lack of a pass rush from just our 4 lineman. Therefore this is the area we want improvement, along the D-line. That play will translate directly into better secondary play. The choise of DE fits that need. Add in Dixon play at DT in NFL Europe, see a full seasaon out of Sims (hoping hoping) and we are trying to build that depth at d-line to win THIS YEAR.

The Chief's improve statistically and visually on run defense. The passing game though was hampered by a lack of a pass rush from just our 4 lineman. Therefore this is the area we want improvement, along the D-line. That play will translate directly into better secondary play. The choise of DE fits that need. Add in Dixon play at DT in NFL Europe, see a full seasaon out of Sims (hoping hoping) and we are trying to build that depth at d-line to win THIS YEAR. I am good with this choice at number in the first round.

Good point. For proof of Intensity>Strength look no further than Siavii.

And he is still learning his position, ala Okoye. Good coaching can turn this guy into a monster.

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A post from another site about Hali....WIP or whatever.

Tamba Hali: Inside Info <HR SIZE=1>I've been a Penn State fan for over 25 years. In addition, I'm lucky enough to have some contacts inside the PSU program. Let me give you the REAL skinny on Hali:

1) Tamba was the #1 ranked DE at the Sr. Bowl and named the North's Defensive MVP. The general concensus among OLmen at the Sr. Bowl was that Hali was the toughest DE to block. While most collegiate DEs try and beat you with their athleticism (ala Lawson and Mario) on outside speed rushers, Hali truley mixes it up. He has a VERY low center of gravity and immense leverage. He plays much bigger than his 6'2" frame. In addition, he plays both the pass and run very well. He is a total football player, not just a sack specialist.

2) As for a poor showing at the NFL combine, that is total nonsense considering that he DID NOT even perform at the combine! Instead, he performed at PSU's proday. This is where it gets interesting. Tamba's stock fell because of his "smallish" size and "poor" performance. #1) His size is his size for better or worse. At PSU, he played at 265. As I said earlier, he does play big for his size (big hands, large wingspan, great lower body leverage). #2) His "poor" performance was really a product of Mike Mayock's report on NFL Network. Mayock reported that Hali ran a 4.84 40 and this is the number that other media outlets picked up. For the life of me, I can't confirm which scout he got this number from. FWIW, the coaching staff at PSU was quite miffed about that number. The concensus among GMs and scouts had Tamba clocked in the low 4.70s and his low time was actually a 4.63.

3) Tamba is really a hybrid DE. He's not a speed rusher nor a bull rusher. He can do both. In addition, he plays both the run and pass well. His best attribute is his conditioning and desire. He seems to get better as the game goes on. He will give you guys 100% on every play. I can honestly say that he's my favorite DE in PSU history. You guys got a gem

Banyon...it's fine that you don't like the pick, but you continue to make wild assumptions based on very little solid information. What makes you think we could have gotten Hali 10 picks later...have you talked to each of the GMs who picked after us? Come on now!??? :mad:

And who exactly was out there who had "similar talent" that we could have gotten 10 picks later? I can't think of anybody and the draft board certainly doesn't show anybody who is comparable to Hali at that point in the draft or slightly later.

Sure...trade down when you don't have a guy at your pick that you feel strongly about. That's a wise move. However, KC felt strongly about Hali. Moving down and missing on him, especially considering the extreme need at DE would have most likely been a monumental error. The draft gods don't go out of their way to favor KC in the best of times. Last year was an exception.

We got a guy who was an All-American DE, and a guy who disrupted offenses on a regular basis. I think he is as close to a sure thing as we could have gotten all things considered. If I'm right, nobody is going to be concerned about where we drafted him...right?

You are quite correct. People seem to think Hali's only plus is his character. But did you know talent and character aren't mutually exclusive? WHOAA!!! Yes, it's true!

An All-American in both talent and ethic. It's somebody the Chiefs have been lacking in their first day picks for a while now.