Keep doubting Eddie Kennison.

Uh yea they have.......Irving Fryar ring a bell? Seriously I think the Chiefs have gone the longest of any team without having an elite WR. And recently the Pats have won without a true 1 by having great depth at the position and going 4 deep another thing we can't do.

I was talking about recently. The Marty/Gun years don't count.

I'm talking about the history of teams.....you'd have to go back decades to find the last elite WR the Chiefs had, I'd honestly like to know if any other team has gone longer.

But Marty brought us Brett Perriman and Webster Slaughter....

Owens has better stats and is a better talent than Hines Ward, but I'd rather have Ward on my team. I'm pretty sure the 49ers and Eagles would agree with me, and probably about 80% of the rest of the teams in the NFL as well.

What does Kennison have to do to get some respect? How many WR's have back/back 1000 yard seasons right now? Eddie is one of the best big play WR's in the game of football.

Instead of his pimp, I'm beginning to think mecca is Chaahles'weed supplier.

4000 yards through the air x 3

It's not 3 SB rings, but it's certainly production on offense. Only the Colts have been better throwing the ball in the past 3 years.

Now if only we had a defense...

Now this isn't an Owens thread but I'll make 1 comment to that. People that think he ruined the 49ers or the Eagles I think don't look at the big picture of what happened. The 49ers were an old team with a crappy QB that had good stats because of Terrell Owens they were heading down the shitter either way.

The Eagles weren't destroyed by Owens either. Their defense carried them to the NFC title games.....it wasn't as good last year and as a team they weren't as good. It doesn't help that And-1 Reid hates running, refuses to draft a real RB and wants to pass 60 times a game.....add in that McNabb is basically a pussy and couldn't handle Owens and let him walk all over him. Then turned around 5 months after Owens is gone then talks about and makes a corny black on black crime line. And if Owens was really that bad why did alot of Eagles players want him back?

I don't think Owens is near the guy he's made out to be by the media and alot of people. He's obviously a great on field player and says what he thinks but I don't think that's the end of the world unless you have alot of fragile ego'd people on your team that can't handle that.....McNabb.

I agree. Unfortunately, Kennison is such a late bloomer that his star will probably fade due to age before he gets the recognition he deserves. Same with Trent Green. If both of those guys were 4-5 years younger...

Do you really think teams that face the Chiefs look at Eddie Kennison and go......."that guys great we have to cover him or we'll lose". No one is gameplanning for him if anything teams go "lets try and make the Chiefs beat us with their WR's". I'm sure there are people that would argue alot of average NFL WR's could put up stats here due to defenses completely focusing on the RB and TE and him getting single coverage everytime, he's not facing the same kind of defense Chad Johnson is.

And this explains why every NFL team was willing to make a block buster deal to land the best WR in football?

Well Owens is on the wrong side of 30, even if he was a model player he wouldn't command alot in the trade market because of his age. Hell Moss got a high pick and he has more issues to me than Owens does.....he's just younger.

You know, there is not one guy I fear on the Broncos. No one. On the Pats, the only guy I would fear is Brady. But those are two of the TEAMS I would fear the most. In football, it's more about playing as a team than it is about superstars. When they fit in the team concept, they are great to have, can even lift you over the edge to a championship. But without the team working, all the super stars are just so much eye candy.

So why is it important that we get all these **** off brilliant receivers?

any news on charles rogers or darius watts?

Unbelievable that such a massive talent went unclaimed by 32 NFL teams. LMAO

Do you expect him to remain unemployed?

Someone will pick him up, i think we should atleast give him a shot, after kennison we have almost nothing, the dude was a former 1st rounder, of course that said, if we cut sims other fans would say the same, and he sucks.

He'll get signed by someone, if Ron Dayne can catch on so should he......I still hope we sign him.

i say sign him...maybe getting cut will motivate him...i'm sure he'd at least be an upgrade over webb and hannon.

Off-Topic Question:

Will Steve Marucci ever work in the NFL again?

Yes. If he wants to.

if we do sign charles rogers, it wouldnt be as difficult for him to learn the scheme considering that martz is the new OC in detroit and we run some what the same system

Worth a look....

You base this on what? Certainly not the last three years of play in the NFL. His college numbers? Bravo Foxtrot Delta. Sims looked good in college too.

Maybe getting cut will motivate him? I heard the same thing about Todd Marinovich and Ryan Leaf.
If Martz didn't want him for the same system there, what makes you think bongboy would do any better at picking it up here?

i think people would like to see us give him a shot, because our backup recievers didn't look good themselves in preseason. maybe he will never amount to anything, but what is wrong with giving him another shot?

What does it hurt us to sign him as a 4th or 5th WR. If he pans out we got great value. If not we lose little.

He was good in college. Not his fault he fell into Detroit. I say why not take a look at him. I think it's safe to say that Green > Harrington, too.

So was Peter Warrick and for that matter, Snoop Minnis.

Does anyone think Rogers can play STs? Because that's the biggest role our #4 WR is going to have.

When we run 4-wide sets, Gonzo is almost always one of the wideouts.

He had pretty good numbers as a rookie before he broke his collarbone.

If Charles Rogers were signed by the Chiefs, it should be with the goal of making him the #3 receiver (once he sufficiently learns the system, if he can). We need someone to either free Dante of his offensive duties or to replace him as our return specialist, IMO.

According to what's been said on TV tonight, pretty much.

I haven't seen TV tonight, but I'll be surprised if that turns out to be the case.

Koren Robinson is receiving more interest, if that tells you anything.

They can make it their goal to be the #1 for all I care. Doesn't mean it's going to happen.

Every time we bring in new receivers, we hear the same thing from Green... he has to reach a comfort level where he can trust they'll be in the spot that he throws the ball to. Lions coaches were saying early in the year that Rogers was just plain too dumb to pick up the offense. So not only do we need him to learn an offense that he already struggled with, we also need him to do it getting at best a share of the #3 snaps, and build a rapport with Green at the same time. All the while being short one man on STs.

Yea I'd like Hall to see less plays at receiver. Yea I'd like to improve the WR corps in general. But IMO it's a little late to be bringing in a guy to do that this season. We could have had a solid possession guy like Joe Jurevicious for a relatively cheap price, but we chose to go with what we have. We're stuck with that now. JMO.

Good story on Rogers -
By Mitch Albom
Detroit Free Press
(MCT)
DETROIT - In the end, Charles Rogers was a number. Nothing more. He wasn't a star. He certainly wasn't a role model. Heck, he was barely a memory, seeing how little he played.
Rogers was a number. His draft number. The No. 2 selection in the 2003 draft. Had he been a fourth-round pick, no one would have expected anything after three sub-par seasons. Had he been a fourth-round pick, no one would have argued to keep him after he violated the NFL's substance-abuse rules. Had he been a fourth-round pick, no one would have blinked when the Lions sent him packing this past weekend.
But because he was a number, that big No. 2, I can't tell you how many times on Sunday folks stopped to ask me, "What do you think about Rogers being cut?"
Why? Any other player who can't break his way into an exhibition game, fans write off. And by the end of August, that's all he was. A guy who couldn't crack the Lions.
Maybe that big No. 2 which hung so heavy around his neck reflected more on the people who chose him than on Rogers himself.
Not the first No. 2 to disappoint
Who says he deserved that lofty status? Maybe someone smarter would have predicted his lousy practice habits. Maybe someone smarter would have predicted Rogers' sense of entitlement over effort and concluded, "Don't risk that high a pick on this unpredictable a guy."
But it's not like teams haven't blown such tea leaves before. The Green Bay Packers made a No. 2 pick out of Tony Mandarich. The San Diego Chargers made a No. 2 out of Ryan Leaf. The New York Jets made a No. 2 out of Blair Thomas. All these guys exited the stage in a whisper.
Now, Rogers is gone from the Lions. And? It's not like they cut an incredible NFL talent. In the handful of games he played here - 15 in three years - rarely did Rogers demonstrate the skill that everyone whispered about. Yes, he was quick. Lots of NFL players are quick. But he wasn't disciplined. He wasn't durable. He wasn't dominant.
And he wasn't Rod Marinelli's choice. That makes a difference. Steve Mariucci was coach when Rogers was chosen, so Mariucci had a vested interest in making himself look smart. Marinelli doesn't care. Rogers was someone else's mistake. All Marinelli wants is guys who will play hard for him.
And apparently, Rogers wasn't among the top six receivers to meet that criterion.
Besides, there was another number involved with Rogers - $10.1 million, which is what the Lions are trying to get back from him for, they claim, defaulting on his contract with his substance-abuse suspension.
Call me crazy, but when you are shaking down a guy for 10 million bucks, do you really expect him to give you maximum effort on the field?
Marinelli makes a statement
All of which made Rogers an attractive sacrificial lamb. Remember, Marinelli has never head-coached an NFL regular-season contest. The players are watching him. If a guy with the wrong attitude and the wrong practice habits is still given a spot on the team, the other guys aren't stupid. They see how the game is played.
Marinelli was able to make a statement - I don't care who you are, I'll cut you if you don't do it my way - while ridding the Lions of an albatross. You almost wonder how the Lions could have resisted.
Of course, it makes Matt Millen look bad. But Millen has taken that hit before. Joey Harrington is gone, Marty Mornhinweg is gone, Mariucci is gone. If you can survive faulty choices at head coach and franchise quarterback, what's a wide receiver on the pile?
Which is where Rogers is at press time. On the discard pile. He is a cautionary tale about drafting a guy in his own backyard, because some claim he had too many hometown voices telling him how good he was. Maybe some new team will take him, attracted by that shiny No. 2 around his neck. And maybe that team will make something more out of Charles Rogers.
If not, he will be nothing more than he was here. A number bigger than he was.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/15438769.htm

That makes sense to me. If the guy really isn't able to pick up the offense then there's certainly no point in picking him up.

I don't know enough about his intelligence, his attitude, or his contract demands to know whether he'd be worth picking up. I trust Carl Peterson to evaluate those things. The two things I am pretty confident about are (1) that Dante as our 3rd WR and a couple of completely untested and largely unheralded guys as our 4th and 5th WRs suggest that the bar isn't set all that high to bring a guy in to have a look, and (2) the successful Eddie Kennison experiment helps to make the idea of taking a chance on a top draft pick with a poor track record a little more attractive. I'd love to find out that Carl thinks the guy is redeemable, but chances are that you will end up being right.

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