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ClevelandBronco 03-07-2007 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FirstDownSamie
Those clits aren't going to suck themselves. Gee lets hope not.

Parker Sucks

That's far and away the defining post of the offseason.

Congratulations.

Now stop bothering those of us who wish to talk (or just read) about football.

FDS 03-07-2007 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco
That's far and away the defining post of the offseason.

Congratulations.

Now stop bothering those of us who wish to talk (or just read) about football.

Dipshit

PBJ FirstDownSamie PBJ

ClevelandBronco 03-07-2007 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FirstDownSamie
Dipshit

Exactly what I meant. Thanks for summing it up.

FDS 03-07-2007 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco
Exactly what I meant. Thanks for summing it up.


ClevelandBronco=ClevelandSteamer=no respect

dipshit

PBJ FirstDownSamie PBJ

ClevelandBronco 03-07-2007 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FirstDownSamie
ClevelandBronco=ClevelandSteamer=no respect

dipshit

Parker Sucks

I'm enjoying your posts as well. Is there much of a problem with iceheads where you live? Just curious..

CupidStunt 03-07-2007 03:18 AM

$30 mil for a blocking TE (whose never played 16 games his entire career)? Hahahahaha.

CupidStunt 03-07-2007 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco
You guys are lucky to have him...else you would really suck.

Sounds like you and that dirty scheme.

At least we're kept above "really suck" by a legitimate player.

The Bad Guy 03-07-2007 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Sewell
So you're saying that the list I provided is just average NFL talent? Give me a break...

What's so special about Javon Walker, Brandon Marshall, Daniel Graham or Scheffler?

Seriously? You act like they are the Rams of 1999.

Besides Walker, not one of them have put up superstar numbers ever.

Every ****ing year we hear this from Bronco fans. They throw a ton of money at some offensive player that's supposed to put them over the edge. Last year it was Walker, this year it's Graham.

Amnorix 03-07-2007 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil
Yep. I've seen some write ups and charts of one of the Pats' playbook (what I was allowed to see) and it was incredibly complex. I was impressed.


The Pats offense is among the most complex in the NFL. Not a shocker given BB, etc., but I don't think most casual fans realize that our offense, just like our defense, is incredibly complex.

One downside is that it doesn't allow easy assimilation of WRs. Guys like Donald Hayes and Bethel Johnson just can't figure out WTF they're doing out there.

2112 03-07-2007 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix
The Pats offense is among the most complex in the NFL. Not a shocker given BB, etc., but I don't think most casual fans realize that our offense, just like our defense, is incredibly complex.

One downside is that it doesn't allow easy assimilation of WRs. Guys like Donald Hayes and Bethel Johnson just can't figure out WTF they're doing out there.

Not for nothing..but that offense is the same offense Vinny Testaverde had his best season in 1998..and he's one of the dumbest QB's in recent history.
It's not as complex as the west coast offense,or the Al Saunders/San Diego shifting crap..and Brady has that love bracelet on so he knows what plays to call.

Simply Red 03-07-2007 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells
Not for nothing..but that offense is the same offense Vinny Testaverde had his best season in 1998..and he's one of the dumbest QB's in recent history.
It's not as complex as the west coast offense,or the Al Saunders/San Diego shifting crap..and Brady has that love bracelet on so he knows what plays to call.

what is a "love-bracelet?" :(

2112 03-07-2007 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red
what is a "love-bracelet?" :(

He has all the plays in a special bracelet on his wrist...it's on his left wrist
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Infidel Goat 03-07-2007 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
"The Thomas Jefferson High School graduate and former CU star signed a $30 million deal with $15 million in guaranteed money."

Good lord...


When I read this quote, my initial reaction wasn't "That's a lot of money." My initial reaction was "he must be a smart SOB if he went to Thomas Jefferson High School," if it's the one I'm thinking of in Virginia. It's arguably the best academic high school in the country.

I wonder what he scored on the wonderlic...

Mile High Mania 03-07-2007 08:17 AM

Graham played high shool, college and now NFL ball in Denver.

Eleazar 03-07-2007 08:25 AM

Lot of money for a guy who caught 20 balls last year.

Amnorix 03-07-2007 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells
Not for nothing..but that offense is the same offense Vinny Testaverde had his best season in 1998..and he's one of the dumbest QB's in recent history.
It's not as complex as the west coast offense,or the Al Saunders/San Diego shifting crap..and Brady has that love bracelet on so he knows what plays to call.

Sure. Dumb QBs always last 20 years.

What you fail to distinguish is between pre-snap and post-snap adjustments. Post-snap are often harder, and the QB and WRs need to be on the same page. The Pats offense have probably about an average number of pre-snap and quite alot of post-snap adjustments.

I cannot begin to tell you how many times Patriots beat reporters have written so-and-so "is having trouble picking up the Patriots complex offensive scheme" in connection with some rookie or FA acquisition.

The Gruden shift, shift, and then shift some more, is a different type of offense entirely, also very complex. I'd say the super-shfiting offenses can be more complex, yes, but the Pats are above-average in overall complexity.

Hammock Parties 03-07-2007 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix
Sure. Dumb QBs always last 20 years.

LMAO

Gotta love Jets and Pats fans arguing over Vinny Testaverde. Hell, he was a Jet for a lot longer than he was a Patriot...

Mile High Mania 03-07-2007 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise
Lot of money for a guy who caught 20 balls last year.

Gotta think "big picture" man... you're not wearing the correctly shaded sunglasses. :drool:

Amnorix 03-07-2007 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
LMAO

Gotta love Jets and Pats fans arguing over Vinny Testaverde. Hell, he was a Jet for a lot longer than he was a Patriot...


I could give a rat's ass about Vinny. Seriously. A cup of coffee with the Pats doesn't exactly make him a Patriot. The argument is about Pats offensive playbook and it's complexity. I find it hard to believe that Vinny was that dumb, given his lengthy career.

Mile High Mania 03-07-2007 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix
I could give a rat's ass about...

Off topic, this comment has always made me wonder what the hell it means. I've said it often, but what is the origin of this phrase?

I mean I've said it, but it's not like I carry around a bag of rat's asses to give each time I say it. Anyone know where this comment started?

I've also heard it used as "I could give..." or "I couldn't give..."

And, "rat's ass" has been replaced with "two shits" and other things from time to time.

Thoughts?

2112 03-07-2007 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix
Sure. Dumb QBs always last 20 years.

What you fail to distinguish is between pre-snap and post-snap adjustments. Post-snap are often harder, and the QB and WRs need to be on the same page. The Pats offense have probably about an average number of pre-snap and quite alot of post-snap adjustments.

I cannot begin to tell you how many times Patriots beat reporters have written so-and-so "is having trouble picking up the Patriots complex offensive scheme" in connection with some rookie or FA acquisition.

The Gruden shift, shift, and then shift some more, is a different type of offense entirely, also very complex. I'd say the super-shfiting offenses can be more complex, yes, but the Pats are above-average in overall complexity.

Look,Vinny was a dumb QB..what does longevity have to do with his brains?

A complex offensive scheme that is designed by a 32 year old OC?

The Patriots offense is not that complex..they just aren't predictable..you make it seem like you have to be Albert Einstein to play with Brady..almost every offense in the NFL has huge playbooks,and is complicated.

Amnorix 03-07-2007 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells
Look,Vinny was a dumb QB..what does longevity have to do with his brains?

Dumb QBs usually aren't good enough to last that long, to be honest. And BB isn't a big fan of dumb players either, while we're at it. Certainly not dumb QBs.

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A complex offensive scheme that is designed by a 32 year old OC?
I'm pretty sure you are smarter than this -- this is a BB/Weis designed offense that is being RUN by a 32 year old OC. Or did we throw out our entire playbook and start over because Josh McDaniels, who grew up in our system, was elevated to OC?

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The Patriots offense is not that complex..they just aren't predictable..you make it seem like you have to be Albert Einstein to play with Brady..almost every offense in the NFL has huge playbooks,and is complicated.
We're talking relative complexity.

Forget it -- this discussion just isn't interesting enough to be worth pursuing anymore, really.

Amnorix 03-07-2007 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
Off topic, this comment has always made me wonder what the hell it means. I've said it often, but what is the origin of this phrase?

I mean I've said it, but it's not like I carry around a bag of rat's asses to give each time I say it. Anyone know where this comment started?

I've also heard it used as "I could give..." or "I couldn't give..."

And, "rat's ass" has been replaced with "two shits" and other things from time to time.

Thoughts?


Not a clue.

I read a great story about the etymology of one phrase common in the English language, which military afficianados might like.

The great British Admiral Lord Nelson was second in command of the British Fleet at the Battle of Copenhagen, in which the British engaged the Dutch. At this point, Nelson was already blind in the right eye as a result of his prior combats on behalf of the British Navy.

Nelson, of course, always was a proponent of charging into the enemy and letting the British navy's superior rate of fire win the battle. He wasn't one for elaborate tactics. Get close and destroy was his motto.

He had taken his element of the fleet in close and was heavily engaged. As I said, however, he was SECOND in command of the fleet. The old Admiral commanding the fleet thought he saw the British getting killed and raised signal flags instructing Nelson to disengage and withdraw.

Nelson ignored the signal flags for some time but then one of his lieutenant's pointed out the signal flag and asked if Nelson didn't see it.

Nelson put his handheld telescope up to his right (blind) eye and said "I can honestly say I see no flag" and ignored the signal flag.

Following the battle, he was quoted as having said that he had a blind eye as a result of his service, and had a right to use it on occassion. For the tremendous victory at Copenhagen, Nelson was elevated and given his own fleet, and led the British to victory at Trafalgar a few years later.

So the next time you "turn a blind eye" to something....

Skip Towne 03-07-2007 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
Off topic, this comment has always made me wonder what the hell it means. I've said it often, but what is the origin of this phrase?

I mean I've said it, but it's not like I carry around a bag of rat's asses to give each time I say it. Anyone know where this comment started?

I've also heard it used as "I could give..." or "I couldn't give..."

And, "rat's ass" has been replaced with "two shits" and other things from time to time.

Thoughts?

I Googled it. It started sometime in the 20th century but nobody knows exactly where it came from.

listopencil 03-07-2007 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells
Look,Vinny was a dumb QB..what does longevity have to do with his brains?

A complex offensive scheme that is designed by a 32 year old OC?

The Patriots offense is not that complex..they just aren't predictable..you make it seem like you have to be Albert Einstein to play with Brady..almost every offense in the NFL has huge playbooks,and is complicated.



The complexity I was referring to is in the adjustments. Brady and his intended receiver have to read the D and respond identically just like every other NFL team but the possibilities on each play are incredibly diverse and rely on a huge number of "tells". Some of these tells are so slight that they border on bizarre. I remember what our play book was like when we had that outstanding O quite a few years back and the TE routes/blocking assignments that the Pats run are comparable if not more complicated. This says a lot about the Pats' receivers and I can see why they might not value certain WR's that other teams would covet, because yeah-you would have to be bright to handle that load. BTW-I already had a lot of respect for Tom Brady before I saw some of his play book but afterwards I was stunned. I don't think you have to be a genius to play with Brady...but Brady might just be one.

Bowser 03-07-2007 11:28 AM

Good sign for Denver. Graham along with Henry will make them a force with the run game.

That being said, they WAY overpaid for him.


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