didn't he do pretty well last year, standing in for Hall, the very first time he returned one pretty far..... fifty yards.

I guess I didn't know he was a bust too, damn. Well go for Ginn than Carl/mecca.....

I just want to know why people really think we can count on guys like Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon.......counting on them for anything is playing with fire....

Yes sir, Carl/mecca. Sorry didnt' mean to put my opinion on the board, I should have known that your opinion, since it was posted first, didn't need any other information and should just be accepted as truth. Sorry dude.

I never said we can count on Webb, I said we already have a Ginn on our roster with mr. Webb. That is all, thanks for playing.

You really think Jeff Webb is half the return man Ginn is.......how many times you watch Ohio State play?

this will be the third time I tell you this. I'm backing away from the conversation because you seem to only want to prove your opinions as some sort of fact.

You gave your opinion. I gave mine. you reiterated your opinion and I reiterated mine. after this second occasion we are really starting to waste our time. It is an agree to disagree scenerio. I don't like Ginn as a first round pick. My opinion, and you can't change it. Does it mean we won't pick him? NO, how could I know that.

I only wanted to share my opinion and not to try and prove mine is better than yours, (Harrell). I don't think I could change your opinion and I don't want to. I only wanted to have a discussion about football, not get hit over the head Mr. Mecca.

kindly drop the topic, with me anyway.

BTW, Simms did really good in College too, I don't know how Ginn's college career is the end all of the deciding factors.

I'll be the first one to say Ginn has issues as a WR but questioning his special teams ability is a bit much......he smokes everyone on our team as a returner even Dante Hall.

seeing how you have such great psychic abilities, do you mind sharing the lottery numbers? I could use the extra cash.

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Watch that...........

If someone teacbes him how to catch balls and not drop many then he has the talent to be a star......he bugs me of course because he drops balls but he is an extreme talent and that shows on his special teams plays.

Okay.. now I'm convinced.
Ginn is my gu. Let's bring on the Shot-Ginn offense!

After watching that video, I am also convinced that Troy Smith has Jay Schroeder syndrome... whether a pass is 10 yards or 60, he throws as hard as he can. And talk about a slow looking release.

When I was busting on Ginn I was busting on him as a top 15 pick.......I think he's good value at 23, all the physical talent in the world, a little bit of coaching and you got a star.

did you actually just say "if someone teaches him to catch" he'll be a star?

It's basically concentration, he can be coached on the finer points of catching the ball, but he does have all the physical skills.

:thumb:

But hey what do I know you wanna draft a guy who's torn a bicep and broken an ankle.......then elevated himself in workouts...

I don't expect to be happy on draft day. This team is just floundering without any direction at all.

I hear this all the time.

If it were that easy to teach a player to catch the ball, don't you think he would have learned it at Ohio State?

Couple things that caught my eye about Ginn- I like how he runs full speed to the endzone-no showboating. I also like his vision-seems he sees the whole field and is making moves 10 to 15 yards before he gets pinned into a corner.

I already explained that. You can't judge a draft based on just their rookie years.


Here was my explanation that you omitted from your quote:

"I'm not sure how you think this works, but players drafted in the later rounds don't usually start their rookie year. Those are players that you hope you can eventually develop into starters. Or in some cases the most you can expect is a quality backup."


You also can't judge a draft just by how many starts players get. This is affected by who the team already has playing the position. Bad teams might make it look like they had good drafts because they HAVE to play rookies.


*edit: When I say you can't judge a draft based on 1 year, I realize that's all we have to go by at the moment. But when it's obvious players will be starting next year don't ignore it.

Brodie Croyle+Hannon/Webb+Washed-up Kennison+Herm/Slowlari's ultra ultra ultra ultra ultra conservative playcalling= the Chiefs have the worst passing offense in modern NFL history next season.

And I left Tony Gonzalez out because without legit WRs on the outside teams will just shackle him inside like always.

Like I said earlier, anyone past the second round is going to be a prospect. There getting picked in the third round for a reason. Most of them wont come in and start righ away,so why try? Why not get a few proven players, instead of one good 2 good players and a bunch players that may pan out,but probably wont.

The fact that the Chiefs suck in the 2nd and 3rd round doesn't mean you should be just giving those picks away.........that's a reason this team is like it is.

I'm not saying that Webb won't be able to do the job.
I'm saying that I am not ready to simply hand a late round project pick a job without providing competition for the position.

Kid has to earn the spot.

If he doesn't pan out, he can't be considered a bust.

He was a late round project pick with no real expectations, only hope.

Why try?

Because proven players often never play at the same level for their new teams.

Because this team isn't anywhere close to actual contender status.

Take a look at the teams that have won SBs in the past.

They are teams that built through the draft.
They stockpiled picks, and grew their own talent.

They didn't start targeting certain players and positions until they had a solid core group of players to work with and build around.

The Chiefs need to find away to acquire more picks, not throw picks away to target a position.

They just aren't good enough for that.

Targeting a specific player or position and giving up picks for that is a sure way to continued mediocrity and prettender status.