Actually... the Missouri Tigers are named after the Bushwhackers in a manner of speaking... there was a famous civil war poem that related the Bushwhackers to something like "Tigers in the underbrush"... I believe thats where the school got their name from

At least that is what I learned in a history class while going there.

as for the t-shirt.. its tasteless and classless and I can't stop laughing about it :)

"SaaaaaWeeet! It could have one of dem rolling roofs!"

First, I think you would have to expect KU fans to be a lot more optimistic or "homers". The KU football fanbase has expended greatly in the last 3 years, so a majority of the football fans are relatively new. I'm not suggesting that Mizzou doesn't have any fans on the bandwagon, but I think a majority of the fans have been fans for a while and are so used to upset and disappointment that we can't be as optomistic.

As far as being "exposed", look at the KU season so far.
Central Michagan, SE Louisiana, Toledo and Florida International. As it stands, the KUpcake arguement is out, because an average score of 53.5 to 5.75 is devastating, no matter the quality of the team.
The next games:
Beat K State, 3-4 in the Big 12 and struggling, by 14 points.
Whipped Baylor 58-10, but Baylor is 0-7 in the big 12 and clearly not a good team.
Beat Colorado, 3-4 in the Big 12 and about the same quality as K-State by 19-14, and didn't score any half time points against them.
Beat Texas A&M, who is also on the same level as CU and K-State, 19-11.
Whipped a struggling Nebraska 76-39.
Beat OK State at Stillwater 43-28.

At this point, a win is a win, a huge blow out cupcake or not, winning your first 4 games by an average of 47 points a game is phenominal. KU deserves to be ranked where they are. However, the toughest team they have faced to this point is Colorado, who they barely beat and had no points against in the first half.
Foxsports has the KU opponents ranked as
40. Colorado
44. Texas A&M
45. OK State
69. K-State
77. Central Michigan
82. Baylor
94. Toledo
119. Florida International
Not in top 119: SE Louisiana

If KU beats MU, a win is a win and KU stays at the top. If KU loses to MU, they are now a 1 loss team with a fairly weak schedule that hasn't beat a team in the top 39. So IF they lose, how far do they drop? The other 1 loss teams would be Oklahoma, West Virginia, Ohio State and Arizona State. With strength of schedule would you rank KU above any of these teams? I think that IF KU loses, they definately drop out if the top 10, and possibly drop as many as 10 spots on the ranking. Is that considered "exposed"? To me, yes but I guess that depends on your definition. The exposure won't only be because of the drop in the rankings but with no more games to play if they did drop that much it will really affect the quality of bowl game they would get.

ROFL

I guess I think exposed when I think teams are ranked a good deal higher than they should be. KU has played weaker teams and if they get stomped by MU that might count as exposed. Still, part of KU's ranking is the fact other teams posted losses and KU hasn't. They also have looked pretty good in their games, they do a wonderful job in the 2nd half and play smart, penalty free ball. As a comparison I wouldn't say Ohio got exposed last week, they did get beat but their opponent played quality ball and it was down to the wire. Disappointing? Yes (if you're an Ohio fan anyway). Exposure? Nah, not really.

Pursuant to the following email, Bob Dole has removed the photograph originally posted with the cited article.

Is that for real? :spock:

Strangely enough, yes.

I'm surprised something like that hasn't happened to Goatse.

Wow.

What a sad little twat that guy must be. In addition to being an embarrassment to Missouri fans and the state in general. fuck him and his stupid shirt. If I see anybody selling them, I'll be sure to mention this. LOUDLY.

Bob Dole didn't read the damned thing until a few minutes ago, and didn't bother to argue with him. This was the reply:

Speaking of "further action" Senator, you might want to thing about removing the guy's personal info from your post before one of our resident geniouses spams his inbox full of.......

Or maybe not..... :evil:

Did he supply any proof that he had copyrighted that photo, or just say he did?

Seems like anybody who would go to the trouble of copyrighting that image would do so for the purpose of reproducing and selling the shirt in question. It would therefore make no sense to nuke a source of free marketing.

That e-mail might have just come from some cleaver beaker fan who has an ax to grind with the occupants of 2813 NW Kingsridge Drive.

Did Bob Dole post his contact information?

Damn. Bob Dole should remove that ASAP.

There was no proof provided, and Bob Dole didn't ask. Unfortunately, Bob Dole didn't catch the email until this evening, so there wasn't really any time to determine whether it was legit before the scary deadline that might expose...um...well, AOL Sports to litigation.

You know, since that's where the photograph was hosted, and there's been no revenue generated here from the posting of the image. But then again, Bob Dole isn't a lawyer and has no real experience with copyright claims on the web.

You can remove my personal info now.

:deevee:

Sometimes being a little bitch has consequences, sweetie.

I dunno. Have you reserved the rights to it?

Your sig is absolutely hilarious!!!!!!! ROFL

Haha you're a dumbass for putting it there.

people still use earthlink?

Kingsridge Dr huh? Wow that is over off of Woods Chapel road and over by Blue Springs HS. Now why in the hell would some little dumb**** threaten to take legal action on someone via internet and post his address and personal info and whine and bitch when he knows someone might **** with him now?

Hey, you live on the same street as my sister. Tell her I said hello.

Here's the shirt

I wonder what our friends in the Chancellor's office would think of Kyle using the Mizzou logo on that t-shirt without permission of the university?

You know, since we're talking about trademark and copyright infringment.

Looks like a nice neighborhood - big yards, mature trees, a couple of pools scattered here and there.

This looks like his myspace page.

http://www.myspace.com/therealcnk

LOL you utter bitch.

We should trade him to the beakers for BWillie007 and a 6-pack of Keystone Light.

It depends. Does BWillie007 have a pool? We already know that Kyle doesn't have one.

:)

Maybe he put one in since the satellite image was taken.

Somebody should check.

:evil:

I'm too lazy to drive 4 hours to find out, but it looks like he does now.

From Google Earth:

Cool. POOL PARTY! :D

Wow.

I'm flattered someone noticed my post. I wonder if they sent this letter to the aol blog post that put it up where I found it.

And weirder, even, is the guy's username is my first name. I'm kinda weirded out.

Don't move. Someone is coming to assist you. I repeat. DO NOT MOVE!



http://www.atpm.com/12.07/images/xiii-crosshairs.jpg :)

ROFL

Well played sir.

And he paid for that pool by copyrighting photographs of public domain 19th century lithographs. :huh:

Wow. What an awful oversight. That's a serious mistake.

Bob Dole apologizes for the oversight. Bob Dole just wanted to let the general membership know why the initial post was edited, because we try to maintain an open community here.

Any time we don't maintain an open forum, things tend to deteriorate, and copyrights begin to get infringed. And then people start tossing around threats about lawsuits, and then things just get really silly, and then moderators poop their pants in fear over email threats, and then it just gets completely crazy because the moderators are carrying a fudgey, copyright infringing, pants-load of fear-induced baggage. And that's never a good thing, because almost anything could happen at that point.

So you can pretty much rest assured that Bob Dole will send an email to one of the moderators and ask that they whip up a batch of vinegar and water that they can use to flush away anything that might be irritating your manginal lining.

Bob Dole just checked his email and found this:

It sounds pretty serious, what with quoting the Constitution and all.

Could you all please stop doing all the mean stuff you are doing.

What an utter and complete douche-nozzle.
He infringes on Missouri Properties by including a Tiger logo, then pitches a hissy fit because somebody posts the image on a chat board? He should be down on all fours in front of the Missouri Properties Licensing office begging forgiveness, if we're going to push the issue here.

We should throw a Baby Ruth in his pool.

heh

Kyle Hudson
2813 NW Kingsridge Dr
Blue Springs, MO 64015
[email protected]



whoops

4th Amendment when he gave you his address? ROFL

At least Bob Dole can join the club.

HEY!!!! Who forwarded this information to MU? I am sure they will be contacting him soon..... You know, that copy right infringement stuff can't be condoned. It is a very bad thing!!!

a copyrighted official address, no less....

In an Internet chock full of lameness, that's gotta rank near the very top.

You are copyright infringing my thoughts, because I thought the same thing and wanted to post it, you must now remove your post or i will threaten you with e-legal action.

Wow. How in the hell did I miss all this fun?


[QOUTE]Dear Moderators at Chiefsplanet.com,

It has come to my attention that a poster with the handle "irishjayhawk" has posted an image of a photograph taken by myself of a t-shirt depicting the burning of Lawrence, KS with the word “Scoreboard” under the photo on your message board entitled, "Doom Lounge" (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=174410). I have reserved all rights in the photo as the photographer.

As the poster neither asked for nor received permission to use the photo on your message board, I believe the poster has infringed my rights under 17 U.S.C. Section 101 et seq. and could be liable for statutory damages as high as $150,000 as set forth in Section 504(c)(2) therein.

I demand that you immediately cease the use of this photo and that you desist from this or any other infringement of my rights in the future. If I have not received an affirmative response from you by Friday, November 16, 2007 indicating that you have fully complied with these requirements, I shall take further action against you.

Very truly yours,
Kyle Hudson
2813 NW Kingsridge Dr
Blue Springs, MO 64015
[email protected][/QUOTE]

ROFL

Beware the legal wrath of the infamous Copyrighter of Blue Springs!

Mere mortals should quake in terror before his mighty powers!

Please stop being mean to Mr. Hudson. Bob Dole is pretty sure he has feelings, too.

Bob,

He's actually right.

Using the image without permission is a violation of copyright. And he doesn't have to have a registered copyright with the Library of Congress to have the copyright. It falls under copyright as soon as it is created (whether electronically or put in a tangible form (paper, cloth, sculpture, film, whatever).

He could have put it better, but Irishjayhawk was wrong.

Posting his personal information is worse than wrong. It's abusing your position as mod.

Sorry to spoil the fun.

Not that you're going to listen to me anyway.

He never offered a shred of proof, and also behaved like an utter sniveling bitch.

:deevee: I'll sue.

fuck him.

If he wears that shirt in public, and the Star takes a photo of it at Arrowhead and publishes it in the paper the next day, is that a copyright infringement?

I hope a KU fan beats up Kyle Hudson.

Nope, although if they take his picture, they are supposed to get a release allowing them to use the picture. Or at least, they did when I was doing reporting (pictures of the players is considered fair use due to the fact that "they're performing for a paying audience" - pictures of the fans used to require a release since the paper was using their images to make money for itself. Otherwise they could be sued. Don't know how much that's followed these days, I don't keep up with journalism law since I don't work as a journalist these days.)

Copyright law is if you create it, you own it for life + 70 years (IIRC). Still, I think the initial post might have fallen under the "fair use" clause since it was originally posted for the purposes of review. It's the same way that newspapers, magazines and web sites can post "short excerpts" of novels and pictures of the cover. It, in effect is free advertising.

However, for example, if an author believes a web site has posted more than is necessary for review purposes (like say the first three chapters of their book - or the big reveal at the end of a thriller), they can (and should) approach the site and ask them to redact or remove the work. If they refuse, that's usually where lawyers make their money.

Now, could Kyle have approached the moderators in a better manner than coming out swinging the lawyer stick. Absolutely. It was a pretty clueless move when it could have been handled more amicably.

But, if he does own the copyright, (and unless someone has evidence stating otherwise, why would he open himself up for this if he didn't?), he has the right to ask for the photographs to be removed. And posting his personal information on a BB like this is pretty bush league in my opinion.

So posting this:

Kyle Hudson
2813 NW Kingsridge Dr
Blue Springs, MO 64015
[email protected]


is wrong?

Welcome to CPIggy

Who?

Eh, kind of. The picture of the person wasn't a problem. If you could see the person? That is another story. Since the person is not uniquely identifiable a release is not in order. Kind of like taking a picture of a crowd. You can't get model releases for the whole group of people, nobody can know who anyone is. Taking a picture of the shirt itself shouldn't be a problem unless that person has a reasonable expectation to privacy, which doesn't seem to be the case. But all of that and a lot of what you wrote has to do with the liability of the photographer. Which really isn't up for debate.

Now. Kyle being the owner of the picture and it being posted is another story. He hasn't shown that he has any right to it. Maybe he does? I don't know. Show me.

I would think he is refering to me. But I don't understand why.

the T-shirt wars are sure to garner a few "incidents" at Arrowhead lot/stadium on Sat.

Why? He is not breaking any laws by posting that information. Email communications are not protected.

I didn't read every single page of this, however, I got the Cliff's Notes. And maybe someone already mentioned this...

What I find ironic is that this guy is quoting copyright laws, yet there's no possible way, no way on earth, he got licensing from MU to use their logo on that shirt.

And much like American Hero before him, this guy was begging for abuse.

It was brought up, but it's worth repeating.

And in that case, he IS profiting from it, unlike simply posting the pic of the shirt here, which at worst is free advertising for him. Indeed, I sent that story to my Dad, and he called and said he wanted one of those shirts. But when I told him how Kyle had acted here, he wasn't interested anymore.

I hope a MU fan kicks his ass.

I hope a KU fan AND a MU fan kick his ass. That would show some rival love in the face of stupidity.

Maybe Bob Dole can add this picture to the Original Post.
I give my consent to use my picture.

False. Absolutely false.

He owns nothing because the image I linked to was on AOL. If he wants to sue AOL, that's fine.

And he offered ZERO proof. By that logic, I could say that your entire post I just quoted is my post and you are in the wrong. Had he offered a shred of proof, you'd be right.

Not that I really care. :P

Here's to a good game.

How did you miss this thread?

THIEF! THIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!

Except for he can't copyright that photo of ancient Lawrence nor can he copyright the MU logo..

Evidence as in there is no way in hell he could have taken a picture of the Lawrence on the shirt, or the evidence that he does not hold copyright of the MU logo he used on the shirt..

Uh-oh someone is selling these copyright infringement shirts...

http://www.cafepress.com/mu_scoreboard/

At least that guy is smart enough to remove the Mizzou logo from the shirt.

I caught the first portion of the thread, but missed when this idiot joined in.

You know the funny thing. The John Brown t-shirt was made (I bought one) by a KU student and designed pretty much on Phog.net. Then, today, Joe College sells them with nothing changed except the font.

They said they'd take them down after they got caught on them.... Gee, didn't see that coming?

The latest entry to the Tshirt war.....

ROFL