Do all people make up statistics to try to prove their points? Just wondering...

Why, because I was right the entire time?

Hamas: Since when did Soriano have a good throwing arm.
Hootie: Always.
Hamas: Oh, he was a 2nd baseman once.
Hootie: So? Most 2nd baseman have strong arms, this isn't high school baseball.
Jewish dick licker: You're an idiot, me and Hamas are dating, I want to be cool and try to be a know-it-all too, I can throw a baseball, Hamas treats me like a real woman, I love him.

Best guy in the pen. I wonder if the rumors of him going to the rotation next year are true :hmmm:

Name 5 starting MLB 2nd baseman with weak throwing arms and I'll shut up.

Thanks for the quick recap. That's exactly how it went down. :rolleyes:

You think that eventually Tony would realize that Ankiel is awful in high leverage situations.

does he shave down there weekly? Monthly? Never? Seriously, I want to know...

As I was saying...awful.

Wow, Cubs came that close to messing up that easy pop fly.

WR-P > P-OF

Iz2 has been much better offensively this week. He still gargles balls, but he's been passable this week.

Here's a list of 2007 2nd baseman...name the weak arms. Come on, do it...

* Josh Barfield
* Ronnie Belliard
* Miguel Cairo
* Robinson Cano
* Jamey Carroll
* Jose Castillo
* Luis Castillo
* Alex Cora
* Ray Durham
* Mark DeRosa
* Mark Ellis
* Marcus Giles
* Ruben Gotay
* Tony Graffanino
* Mark Grudzielanek
* Brendan Harris
* Aaron Hill
* Orlando Hudson
* Tadahito Iguchi
* Akinori Iwamura (began career as third baseman)
* Kelly Johnson
* Howie Kendrick
* Jeff Kent
* Ian Kinsler
* Adam Kennedy
* José Celestino López
* Mark Loretta
* Kazuo Matsui
* Dustin Pedroia
* Brandon Phillips
* Plácido Polanco
* Brian Roberts
* Dan Uggla
* Chase Utley
* José Valentín
* José Vidro
* Rickie Weeks
* Josh Wilson

Touche.

Cardinals have a runner on third, 2 outs. :eek:

Look how stupid you are, Tony LaRussa.

Look how stupid you are.

I hate to say it, but Jose definately had a very weak arm

There are a few on there with weak arms, for sure, but I'd say 50% of them have played a lot of 3rd base as well as 2nd base, and some shortstop...

And 3rd baseman, by rule, are suppose to have the strongest arms of the three...

Most of those 2nd baseman, like I said, played a whole bunch of shortstop in their careers.

I am going to laugh when Edmonds hits a walk off...

fuck the Cardinals fans on here...I bet most of you live in the Kansas City area...fairweather fans.

And do you know why most of them were moved to second?

Lack of arm strength. If Shortstops are moved to third it's due to lack of mobility.

Dumbass.

Soto singles to set things up for the Card-Killer.

This is why Cubs fans are the most reviled in the NL. Sorry to the UP's and SeaofRed's of the world.

Ah yes Jack Buck, classic. Maybe I'm getting old but it seems they don't make announcers like they used to. Just hearing some of those guys' voices you know it's summer and you don't have a care.

I always understood that to be the truth, Harry banged Auggies old lady. Of course I can't prove it......

Yeah, I've been a fair weather fan since I got a Cardinals hat for my first birthday...

ROFL
you're a f@ckin jerkoffROFL
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Why does it have to be lack of arm strength?

Perhaps, I know this is a real tough concept, PERHAPS a guy like Scott Rolen comes along who possesses a STRONGER arm and they move the guy to 2nd base because 2nd base is an easy position to play if you were a SS or a 3rd baseman...

Never once did I say 2nd base was tougher to play than SS or 3rd, because it is, by far, easier...easier in high school, in low A, AAA and the pros...

All I said, and I'm right here, is, the VAST majority of MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2nd baseman have strong throwing arms.

Throw nothing but a fastball to that one who sucks the penis. He'll never catch it.

Com'on Edmunds!

Because you don't expect any more offensive production from one MI position over the other, and both need to have good lateral quickness.

Hootie, did you ever steal a laptop?

There's a YouTube clip where he discusses this.

On to extras.

Going to extras... Great game today, no matter who ends up winning.

Not true, especially with 3rd baseman...most power hitters come up as 3rd baseman or 1st baseman...

You are speaking circa 1950...

This is a new day and age...most every good power hitter/athlete that is drafted, if you pay attention to the draft, is a 3rd baseman or SS...or catcher...and then they get converted to other positions in the minors.

So when Ryan Braun gets the call up, poor ol' 3rd baseman before him either moves to 2nd, to 1st, to the OF or to a new team...and then poor ol' Ryan Braun, who can hit anything, sucks in the field so he moves to the OF and makes way for the next big thing coming up from AA.

Easily bribed, eh?

I tried stealing Hamas' while you were blowing him but it was too risky because the dude ramming you from behind had a good look at where I'd have to be to get to the laptop.

Ha... My dad loves Cardinal baseball. When he was growing up in Kirksville it was either the Cards or the KC A's. The latter was so popular they're now in Oakland.

sounds pretty fairweather to me! Go Royals! Go Cubs!

Mark McGwire pride!

Heh.......:D

cubs are 15w- 17L in 1 run games
Cards are 21w- 20L

I wonder if Frazod went to the game.

He hasn't been on this forum today i don't believe.

If you see a fight in the stands, it most likely could involve him.

What the fuck are you talking about?

I said Middle infielders. The reason why they played shortstop before they were drafted is because they were the best athletes on the field. Pujols played short in high school. Hell, one of my college roommates tried to spike him to break up a double play and he just verticaled his ass while he slung it over to first.

You value offense from you projected shortstops or second baseman to be roughly equal. It's not a corner infield, nor an outfield position. Because of that, the differentiating factor between second and short is arm strength, since they both need equal lateral quickness and speed, as well as glovework.

Cubs are 7w- 5L in extra innings
Cards are 6w-9L

that's right a fairly well weathered fan. STFU

DeRosa rocketed that over to first.

Dude...

What are you talking about? I know the best athletes play short...the best athletes are the ones that become pros...****ing Jason Giambi was probably an amazing fielder back in grammar school.

I'm saying, almost every MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2nd baseman has a good, strong throwing arm.

That's my only argument. You've yet to successfully rebut it, I gave you a list of 2nd baseman, and you can't name one with a weak arm. You don't know shit.

You didn't even know Soriano had a good arm in the OF...

You are again, like usual, a pseudo intellect. I'd expect nothing less.

That's now the third inning we've run ourselves out of.

What the **** Pujols???

Dear Albert,

Sit Down.

Don't mess with football!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, i would assume the coach gave him the go ahead to steal.

And also with 2 outs already why not take a chance, you wouldn't think the Cubs would be expecting it.

Franklin. Game over.

If he got thrown out stealing, that would be one thing. He took off while the pitcher was getting his signs.

Smarzdjzzaadfjdajldf2 is a stud...I really questioned his choice to play baseball over football when he was a sure fire 1st rounder in the NFL...

I know that, pro baseball players that stick will make a boat load more money than football players, but how'd that work out for Drew Henson and others?

Baseball is much tougher to break into the pros...but he did get a nice signing bonus, I just figured we'd never hear about him again.

LaRussa is a ghanoush.

after the Cubs sweep this series, I see the Cardinals finishing out with 85 wins, tops.

They are due for a collapse.

I really like what I've seen of Samardzija. In a rivalry game to pitch scoreless baseball in a tie game in late innings is very impressive with his lack of big league experience. Definitely added more depth to the bullpen. Also was that supposed to be a hit and run or something? Just watching it on gameday and I was shocked to see Pujols stealing with the bat in Ludwicks hands.

Has he been drinking again?

The Cubs won't sweep, but I'll take 85 wins. Not bad when the Tribune pegged us for 63.

Ludwick is on the juice.

they should finish about 11 games out. Not bad...

We'd be better off if he was. He'd be asleep right now and the best mind in baseball would be calling the shots.

Kinsler has an awful arm. Kennedy's is weak for a major league player, Luis Castillo does not have a strong major league arm, nor do Ellis, Carroll, Barfield, Kendrick, Kelly Johnson, Hudson, Cairo, among others.

oh shit not howry

welp gg

You're a dumb shit. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year for us. That would be like the Chiefs going 8-8 this year, which I'm sure all of us will take.

Just read this from a blog, exactly what I'm saying:

"Following in the footsteps of the shortstop revolution of the late '90s, second base is a position increasingly populated by middle-of-the-lineup hitters. Most middle infielders are expected to supply consistent offense as well as solid defense, and second basemen are no longer just shortstops with weak arms."

Hamas, wake up, it isn't 1950 anymore...

I think hes just messing with Jewish Rabbi.

STOP THROWING SO MANY ****ING SLIDERS

YOU ARE TERRIBLE AT THROWING SLIDERS

JESUS CHRIST

Hootie:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bu...Second_baseman

Maybe the most respected baseball site out there:

The only fielding ability that is not really required for second basemen is a strong throwing arm. Because the second baseman's position is closer to first base than the shortstop's or third baseman's, he is not required to have as strong an arm as the other infielders.

What are you rebuilding? You have a bunch of never-beens pitching out of their asses in your starting rotation, you shipped off Haren for Mulder (lol), you have a never-been Ludwick playing out of his ass...what are you rebuilding? Where is the youth? It's Pujols and Ludwick...maybe Carpenter if he stays healthy.

The Cardinals are a surprise...that's for sure...but they aren't going to go anywhere...they will probably end up falling flat on their faces...you can only play above your ability for so long...

Now the Cubs, talk about a well built team...if Harden stays healthy this may be the best team from 1 to 25 in the last decade.

No link? Is it your blog? Did that even come from a blog?

I think hes just messing with Jesus Christ.

Actually, 8-8 would pretty much be the chimp's bollocks. 4-12 or 16-0, please.

In his defense he's terrible at throwing the other pitches as well.

Wouldn't surprise me... God I hate Tony. It's hard to argue with the results the last 8 seasons, but I hate him.

I do not understand this strike zone at all today.

That belongs to BP.

Well, FJM and then BP.

Drr...

I know that. I never once said that.

I said, AND I CONTINUE TO SAY, in today's game...as of 2008...the majority of 2nd baseman have strong throwing arms...

Do they necessarily need to have a strong arm? No. Duh. But, AGAIN, like I said...with the recent trend of power hitting 2nd baseman...most of them possess strong arms...most of them were 3rd baseman or SS in high school/minor leagues.

And I'm not going to list a bunch of guys and say they have strong arms...I don't pull shit out of my ass like you...you have no idea who had a good arm out of that list and who didn't...you just try and look way smarter than you really are...for god's sake you didn't even know Soriano had a good arm in the OF...and he is one of the best out there.

Yep, it was my blog. You caught me.

http://goesdownlooking.blogspot.com/...o-to-cano.html

fucking moron. Moron.

Brian Anderson, Jesse Todd, Colby Rasmus. Jaime Garcia, Chris Perez. Clayton Mortenson, Jason Motte. All will contribute heavily to the major league club next year. This isn't football. Rebuilding means that your farm system is being set up to supplant the big leaguers.