:rolleyes: Oh please, I watch plenty of Georgia games. I say this everytime you dumbasses bring it up. He doesnt make good decisions, its his biggest knock on him.

I think they're all pretty damn close to be honest. Either way Stafford is probably the only one we'll have a shot at this year.

He was starting as a true freshman and sophomore of course he's going to look shaky at times, he made strikes from 1st to 2nd year if he makes the same ones this year then he's there.....you have to understand he is a work in progress and we're projecting here.

His freshman and sophomore stats are very similar to Cutler and Palmers are they big armed dumbasses too?

Also other than AJ Green this year he's been throwing to a group of awful WR's who never separate. I don't think some realize how bad the Georgia WR's have been.

That's pretty much how I look at it and they will have to take him.

Texas and Texas Tech. That's true. Fortunately they both have tough schedules to be thoroughly evaluated. Unlike some other team from california.

All SC can control is it's non con and they go out of their way to play a good one.

Stafford has looked shaky this year as well. We will find out about him this year real quick, the SEC will do that to you.

Can you post the stats?

I'll do some overall comparison for you here....

Stafford is also in the SEC playing at Georgia, the conference that is notoriously hard on passers as you mention with Cutler. And comparing Stafford's stats to Cutler's stats at the same time in their careers, they are eerily similar. Cutler's completion percentage through 2 seasons was a stellar 53.8%. He barely hit 7.0 in yards per attempt, and he had a 28:22 TD:INT ratio. Compared to Stafford who has a career completion percentage of 54.5%, 7.0 ypa, 26:23 TD:INT ratio. Palmer, through 2 full seasons, (using the same line) was 55.1/7.18/23:24.

Jay Cutler was at the fringe of 60 both of his years as a starter at Vanderbilt--61% in '04 and 59.1% in '05. Peyton Manning also barely made a 60% completion percentage his senior year at 60.37%. McNabb was at 60.9% his senior year, Eli Manning was at 58%, Palmer was at 58% in 2001 and 54.9% in 2000.

The last part is for people who harp on the completion %.

I haven't read this thread. But I have noticed K-State's Freeman doesn't get much love here. What year of college is he? I have watched him once and I was fairly impressed.

Bradford and Tebow had very similar passing stats last year. Stafford was well behind.

2007
Bradford - 237/341 3121 36TD 8int, 69.5% comp.
Tebow - 234/350 3286 32TD 6int, 66.9% comp.
Stafford - 194/348 2523yds 19TD 10int, 55.7% comp.

Stafford got sacked three more times than Bradford last year.
Stat lines for 2007:
Bradford 69.5% completion on 341 attempts, 36 TDs 8 Ints
Stafford 55.7% completion on 348 attempts, 19 TDs 10 Ints

Stafford has been sacked 6 times thusfar this year and Bradford none.
Stat lines for 2008:
Bradford 79% completion on 81 attempts, 12 TDs 2 Ints
Stafford 60.8% completion on 102 attempts, 5 TDs 0 Ints

Tebow is a much better passer in college than Vince Young or Mike Vick.

Tebow probably shouldn't even enter into any statistical discussion regarding last year. I am curious to see how he will do this year in a more pro-style offense.

I'm not sure what you're saying on the sacks front Oklahoma has a better line....we all know this, Stafford is more mobile, Georgia's LT is out for the season so none of that is surprising.

He's a Jr.

Well if you listen to the scouts, they like his size, arm strength, etc. But it seems like he's generally viewed as not in the same class as the Staffords, Tebows.

It'll be interesting to see where he ends up going in the draft whenever he comes out.

Bradford ran a 4.64 forty.

With the rate we're going in looking to have a top 3 pick or so, based on where they seemed to be ranked (and that could change), I'd be absolutely shocked if we passed on Stafford.

He seems to be viewed as the top QB and worthy of a top pick. Seems to be an easy fit if you ask me.

False.

So he's about .08 faster than Stafford? Just from watching them play I'd say Stafford is more mobile.

I'd say Stafford has had to be mobile more often. Not necessarily that he is more mobile.

We'll see at the end of the year.

Isn't saying Stafford is playing with less talent complimenting him? I think it's pretty obvious outside of Moreno/AJ Green Stafford is playing with some really marginal talent...atleast compared to what OU is running out there.

I know people bag on some of Staffords throws and his completion percentage but he has a ton of dropped balls because UGA has just god awful WR's save Green. They just can't separate at all and it really skews his numbers from last year also.

Stafford has a worse O-line. Bradford hasn't lost a step after losing Malcolm Kelly. :shrug: Bradford throws a much better ball. Any time Stafford's receivers have separation they have to make a play on the ball rather than letting it fall in the bread basket and continuing for 6. Oh and I know Georgia drops a lot of balls. I will probably continue watching throughout the season, but I doubt Stafford is going to change my mind.

Um no. Until LSU beat Auburn the SEC had 5 top 10 teams.

People in here better get used to Stafford, because he will be our QB for the next 10-15 years

UGA plays in a conservative offense and has 1 stud that catches the ball, a true freshman. They've also lost their starting LT this year to an ACL tear.

I've been watching their games this year since I can't see Iowa State here in Atlanta :) and Stafford looks great to me. He'll need some coaching, but who doesn't? His upside is insane.

And I'm just quoting you because you're quote is dead on.

We can hope so. It depends on how he grades out vs. Oher.

I don't agree with this at all. It may appear like Bradford throws a better ball, but it's because he throws more short passes and is in an offense that helps him have a completion percentage of 80%.

Also, I'm not sure how much you've seen of Stafford this year, but I've literally seen every game and as I mentioned earlier in this thread, he makes a few passes each game that no one else in the country could make.

Who are all the top QB's comarable to? I've already seen someone mention Bradford like Ryan and Sanchez like Palmer....

hope you're right....

Bradford - Brady/Romo
Sanchez - Palmer
Stafford - Palmer/Cutler/Russell
Freeman - Culpepper

The Chiefs are not the only team lookiing for a QB
trade that #1 pick for two firsts

Scary thing is, he's probably not right.

The Chiefs, much like a few of these fans will do the myopic thing and take Michael Oher.

Or a MLB or a DE.

FYP

No knowing the Chiefs it will be Andre Smith.

that would be a disaster

getting a qb is THE ONLY PRIORITY


everything else is second, a distant second

you can not pass on stafford....you can not go 1-15 and not draft a god damn qb after playing thigpen and huard...

then, after drafting a qb, you do EVERYTHING to create an environment in which he can succeed....get a good qb coach, draft a wr, ol, and spend in FA for more wrs and ol...other people have made this point and i totally agree

FYP

and you find an oc who will run an offense that maximizes the qbs strengths....

And as of today that guy looks like Stafford.

it's always a gamble

you have to play to win

I'm just saying, if Oher grades out like Willie Roaf, and Stafford grades out like, say, Brady Quinn, then the decision becomes something other than what you're hoping for.

I've seen a couple games. My exposure is pretty limited due to geography. However, Bradford threw a multitude of passes last year perfectly from 50-60 yards. Stafford, from what I've seen, is not nearly as accurate.

If Stafford was Brady Quinn I wouldnt have no problem with the pick, but he is not. Any other team besides the Raiders would have took Quinn #1.

I really believe that we actually have that OC.

What we need is a HC that alllows him to do just that.

in this instance, i don't agree

we either take a qb this year or go back to signing vet trash....the odds of back to back top 5 picks are slim even for us, can you really plan for that outcome?

and personally, i already like stafford more than quinn, but just my opinion...

Agreed.

I believe that we already have a couple of guys that would upgrade the OL, in Taylor and Richardson.

My plan, right now, would be to draft Stafford in the first, Selvie or Spikes in the second ( I believe one of these will be there at the top of the second round), and maybe a guy like Alex Mack in the third.

That's not quite accurate as 21 teams passed on Quinn.

Who needed a QB?

incase any one was wondering here is the top 27 QB's of the draft

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009QB.php

Tim Tebow*, Florida
Height: 6-3. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.52.
Projected Round (2009): Top 5 Pick.
2007: ESPN's Jesse Palmer said that Tim Tebow moved himself into Heisman consideration in the wake of his performance at Ole Miss. I have to agree. Tebow's passing numbers were great - 20-of-34, 262 yards, two touchdowns - but his rushing numbers were downright spectacular (26 carries, 164 yards, two more scores).

Tebow passed his first true test with flying colors. The sophomore was 14-of-19 for 299 yards, two touchdowns and one interception against Tennessee. He also rushed for 61 yards and two more scores on the ground.

Where will Tim Tebow be drafted? Check out the Great Tim Tebow Debate and vote!


Sam Bradford**, Oklahoma
Height: 6-4. Weight: 214.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2009): Top 10 Pick.
3/26/08: Sam Bradford is going into his redshirt sophomore year, so he'll be eligible for the 2009 Draft. If he matches his 2007 numbers this upcoming year, I see no reason why he woudn't come out early. Bradford threw for 3,121 yards, 36 touchdowns and only eight picks - as a freshman. Unbelievable. Can we get a birth certificate?


Matt Stafford*, Georgia
Height: 6-3. Weight: 237.
Projected 40 Time: 4.74.
Projected Round (2009): Top 10 Pick.
3/26/08: Matt Stafford improved upon his freshman campaign, throwing for 2,523 yards and 19 touchdowns. He did, however, complete just 55.7 percent of his passes.

2007: I'm not as high on Matt Stafford as other people are. Call me crazy, but I'm not sold on a guy who compiled way more picks (13) than touchdowns (7), even if he was a freshman. Stafford threw three interceptions against both Mississippi State and Kentucky - not the greatest opponents in the world.

Stafford looked good against Auburn (14-20, 219 yds, 7 carries, 83 rush yds, 2 total TDs) and Georgia Tech (16-29, 171 yds, 1 TD), but things fell apart for him in the Chick Fil-A Bowl against Virginia Tech, where he went 9-of-21 for 129 yards, one touchdown and an interception. Stafford doesn't have the greatest weapons to work with, so I admit that I'm being a little harsh in my criticism.


Cullen Harper, Clemson
Height: 6-4. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.79.
Projected Round (2009): Top 25 Pick.
3/26/08: In his first season of extensive action, Cullen Harper threw for 2,887 yards, 27 touchdowns and only six interceptions. He qualified for the 2007 All-ACC Second Team.






Curtis Painter, Purdue
Height: 6-4. Weight: 223.
Projected 40 Time: 4.85.
Projected Round (2009): 2.
3/26/08: Curtis Painter threw for less yardage (3.846) than he did as a sophomore, but he compiled more touchdowns (29 to 22), less interceptions (11 to 19) and a higher completion percentage (62.6 to 59.4).

Painter threw for more yards (3,985) last year than any player in Purdue history, which includes Drew Brees and Kyle Orton. That said, after starting hot in 2006, Painter was largely ineffective against Wisconsin (20-40, 187 yds, 1 INT), Penn State (22-39, 184 yds, 2 INTs), Illinois (20-42, 229 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT) and Indiana (4 INTs).


Hunter Cantwell, Louisville
Height: 6-5. Weight: 230.
Projected 40 Time: 4.79.
Projected Round (2009): 2.
2007: This is sort of like the Carson Palmer-Matt Leinart situation at USC. Hunter Cantwell stepped in for an injured Brian Brohm in 2006 and threw for 700 yards, five touchdowns and two picks, maintaining a completion percentage of 64.3. One of the top prospects in the nation who will have to wait until the 2008 season to play.


Mark Sanchez*, USC
Height: 6-3. Weight: 225.
Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
Will likely take over for John David Booty in 2008. Only threw seven passes as a freshman, so there isn't much film to digest.


Todd Boeckman, Ohio State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 243.
Projected 40 Time: 4.76.
Projected Round (2009): 3.
3/26/08: Todd Boeckman improved throughout the 2007 campaign but looked very mediocre against LSU in the national championship, going 15-of-26 for 208 yards, two touchdowns and two picks.

2007: A massive quarterback with a great arm, Todd Boeckman really proved himself by throwing for 257 yards and three scores at Penn State.


Nathan Brown, Central Arkansas
Height: 6-1. Weight: 212.
Projected 40 Time: 4.77.
Projected Round (2009): 3-4.
3/26/08: The Southland Offensive Player of the Year, Nathan Brown compiled 3,084 yards, 26 touchdowns and 10 picks as a junior. Level of competition is obviously an issue, but he's worth consideration in the third or fourth rounds.


Tom Brandstater, Fresno State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.77.
Projected Round (2009): 3-4.
3/26/08: After a miserable sophomore campaign, Tom Brandstater finally lived up to the hype, as he managed 2,654 yards, 15 touchdowns and just five interceptions in 2007.


Colt McCoy*, Texas
Height: 6-3. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2009): 4.
3/26/08: Colt McCoy had a disappointing sophomore year, throwing 18 picks after just seven in 2006. His completion percentage dropped three points as well.

2007: McCoy threw interceptions like a madman in a 20-point loss to Kansas State. Through five games, he has way more picks than he had as a freshman.

McCoy's freshman campaign reminds me a bit of Philip Rivers' 2006 season. The Longhorns, much like Marty Schottenheimer, didn't let their young quarterback loose until midway through the season.

When McCoy was allowed to fire at will, he tore it up. He threw for six touchdowns against Baylor. He compiled 346 yards and three scores against Oklahoma State. He accumulated 256 yards and four touchdowns at Texas Tech. He was 26-of-40 for 308 yards and two scores in the Alamo Bowl against Iowa. There's no reason to think McCoy will regress; he has great weapons at his disposal and plays in a weak conference.


Dan LeFevour*, Central Michigan
Height: 6-3. Weight: 226.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2009): 4.
5/1/08: Looking to be the next NFL quarterback from the MAC, Dan LeFevour threw for 3,652 yards, 27 touchdowns and only 13 picks in 2007. He completed 65.4 percent of his passes, and rushed for 1,122 yards and 19 scores.


Rudy Carpenter, Arizona State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 199.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.
Projected Round (2009): 4.
3/26/08: Rudy Carpenter puts up some nice stats - for the most part. He threw for 3,202 yards, 25 touchdowns and only 10 picks in 2007. So, what's the problem? Carpenter was sacked 54 times. The Sun Devils currently have the top center prospect in the 2008 Draft, so it's not like he had no protection.






Graham Harrell, Texas Tech
Height: 6-2. Weight: 196.
Projected 40 Time: 4.73.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.
3/26/08: Another Texas Tech quarterback? Sort of - Graham Harrell is much better than any of his predecessors. Still, it's a bit scary to take a signal caller from a school that has produced nothing but NFL duds (see Florida Gators as another example). Harrell, like Chase Holbrook and Colton Brennan, produces disgusting numbers because of his offense. He threw for 5,705 yards, 48 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in 2007.

2007: Something scouts won't be able to measure is Harrell's ability to perform in the clutch. Down 31 points with less than eight minutes remaining in the third quarter against Minnesota, Harrell engineered the greatest comeback in bowl history, beating the pathetic Golden Gophers, 44-41.


Chase Daniel, Missouri
Height: 6-0. Weight: 223.
Projected 40 Time: 4.58.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.
2007: Chase Daniel's 6-foot frame really hurts him. Plenty of small quarterbacks have succeeded in the NFL, so that doesn't mean Daniel will be a bad signal caller; it just means he won't get drafted as high as he should.

One attribute that will help Daniel is his scrambling ability; he's quick and has shown that he's capable of picking up yards on the ground. In terms of passing, Daniel completed more than 50 percent in every single game. He ended his 2006 campaign with three interception-less games. He threw for 240 or more yards 11 times, finishing with 3,527 yards, 28 touchdowns and just 10 picks.


Brian Hoyer, Michigan State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.83.
Projected Round (2009): 5-6.
3/26/08: Brian Hoyer was pretty impressive in 2007, considering he was a first-year starter. He accumulated 2,725 yards, 20 touchdowns and 11 picks.


Chase Holbrook, New Mexico State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Projected Round (2009): 5-6.
3/26/08: Chase Holbrook regressed in 2007; after 34 touchdowns and nine picks as a sophomore, Holbrook had 26 touchdowns and 18 interceptions last season.

2007: Thanks to the ESPN Hype Machine, everyone talks about Colton Brennan, and not Holbrook. Yet, both are very similar collegiate quarterbacks - they put up sick numbers in gimmicky offenses. At 6-5, 235, Holbrook is a better pro prospect than Brennan (6-3, 196), in my opinion.

Holbrook threw for 4,619 yards, 34 touchdowns and just nine interceptions as a sophomore last year. In his final game against Louisiana Tech, he was 41-of-54 for 514 yards and three touchdowns. An even more amazing statistic is that Holbrook finished the 2006 campaign with 179 consecutive passes without a pick.


Rhett Bomar, Sam Houston State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 218.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2009): 6.
3/26/08: Remember when this guy looked pretty impressive as a red-shirt freshman in Oklahoma? Well, after being dismissed for taking money from boosters and missing the entire 2006 season, Rhett Bomar resurfaced and compiled 2,209 yards and 10 touchdowns in nine starts in 2007.


Stephen McGee, Texas A&M
Height: 6-3. Weight: 208.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2009): 6-7.
3/26/08: After throwing just three picks in his first two years, Stephen McGee tossed eight interceptions in 2007.

2007: McGee was very inconsistent last year. For example, he was 19-of-23 for 183 yards and a score against Missouri. Three weeks later, he completed just eight passes (and one interception) in a 17-16 loss to Oklahoma. McGee was only a sophomore, but he needs to grow considerably over the next two years.





Sean Glennon, Virginia Tech
Height: 6-4. Weight: 225.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2009): 7.
3/26/08: Needs to be more consistent to warrant draft consideration.


Willie Tuitama, Arizona
Height: 6-3. Weight: 211.
Projected 40 Time: 4.78.
Projected Round (2009): 7.
3/26/08: Put up solid numbers as a junior (3,683 yards, 28 touchdowns, 12 picks) and only had one really bad game (at Oregon State). Even against USC, Willie Tuitama managed to complete 30-of-43 attempts for 233 yards.


John Parker Wilson, Alabama
Height: 6-2. Weight: 209.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2009): 7.
2007: John Parker Wilson doesn't exactly have the size that will make scouts salivate, but he has shown the ability to come up large in the clutch. Wilson was 16-of-20 for 243 yards and three scores at Arkansas. He was also 22-of-35 for 291 yards, two touchdowns and a pick at LSU. Any quarterback who can put up those numbers against LSU, especially on the road, has my respect.


Mike Reilly, Central Washington
Height: 6-3. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.
Projected Round (2009): 7.
3/26/08: A transfer from Washington State. Mike Reilly compiled 3,386 yards and 30 touchdowns, maintaining a completion percentage of 62.3 in 2007.


Joe Ganz, Nebraska
Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.65.
Projected Round (2009): 7-FA.
3/26/08: Considering what he was able to accomplish at the end of the 2007 season, it'll be exciting to watch Joe Ganz this year, especially now that Nebraska fans won't have to worry about Bill Callahan screwing up any game plans. In just three starts, Ganz threw for 1,399 yards, 15 touchdowns and seven picks. Nebraska scored 163 points in those three contests.






Nate Longshore, California
Height: 6-5. Weight: 233.
Projected 40 Time: 4.88.
Projected Round (2009): FA.
3/26/08: Nate Longshore regressed in his junior year after a solid sophomore campaign. He threw only 16 touchdowns and managed a completion percentage under 60. One has to wonder how much he'll struggle without DeSean Jackson, Lavelle Hawkins and Craig Stevens in 2008.


Ben Olson, UCLA
Height: 6-4. Weight: 231.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2009): FA.
3/26/08: Ben Olson struggled coming back from a knee injury in 2007, failing to complete 50 percent of his passes.

2007: Olson's 2006 season had three distinctive parts to it. In his first two games, he threw 442 yards, five touchdowns and one pick. The following two contests, Olson was guilty of four interceptions and no scores. On Oct. 7, Olson suffered a season-ending knee injury against Arizona. Thus, Olson's pretty much an enigma at this point.

One glaring negative: Olson will be 26 in April 2009. That may scare a few teams away.


Bobby Reid, Texas Southern
Height: 6-3. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.63.
Projected Round (2009): FA.
3/26/08: Bobby Reid was the quarterback that sparked the controversy between Oklahoma State's head coach and the media. Reid was reported as being a soft player whose mother fed him chicken after the game. I'd comment on this, but I don't want Mike Gundy slitting my throat or anything.

2007: A tremendous athlete, Bobby Reid leads a potent Oklahoma State offense that averaged 39.2 points per game in 2006. But that doesn't mean Reid's a great prospect. The rising junior failed to complete more than 50 percent of his passes on four occasions. He was also very inconsistent, going 23-of-35 for 411 yards and five scores at Kansas, and 11-of-31 for 145 yards, one touchdown and a pick at Texas Tech.

Reid's a scrambling quarterback, so he can get out of tight situations when pass protection fails, but his aerial game leaves much to be desired. Furthermore, one can only speculate how effective (or rather, ineffective) Reid will be once Adarius Bowman moves on to the NFL.

Lions, Vikings, Dolphins, Jaguars.

works for me...though i'd be shocked to find selvie in the 2nd, but who knows...getting either would be a major coup (and why i am rooting against more than 2 wins this year...if you're going to suck, suck hard...don't go half way)....

then we need to spend some FA $$$ on a proven #2 or #3 WR, and some vet ol depth (if not a starter)....

Vikes took Peterson
Dolphins got blasted for taking Ginn
Lions are the Lions
Jags still had Leftwich and Garrard.

They all needed QBs though.

And if the guy that every other team would have taken drops past the top 10 someone is going to trade up. We needed a QB and didn't move. The Browns needed a QB and passed at 3.

If Quinn was higher rated than where he was taken someone would have drafted him higher.

He may turn out to be good. But I don't think he would have gone #1 under any circumstances.

Browns made sure their franchise QB was going to stay upright first.

HAH!

I think the plan is for Chan/Herm to coax Cordell out of retirement. He was on "Pros vs. Joes" still awful.

I watched that Wisconsin-Fresno St. game the same day that OSU played USC, and I was far more impressed with that Brandstater kid than Boekman (who hasn't ever impressed) and I wouldn't draft him.

I wouldn't be too upset with Stafford, Sanchez or Bradford. Although it's only probable we'll get a chance to go after Stafford at this point. I don't see how any Chiefs fan could be disappointed with any of the 3 after watching horrible to decent QB play for the last 2+ decades.

Stafford has a slightly better arm than Bradford. He has a slightly better build. Bradford is probably the better game manager of the two, and he doesn't make mistakes. As far as mobility...they're both mobile enough to make due in this league. I can't hate on Stafford. He looks a bit rusty at times, but it's college. I expect that. I wouldn't be upset at all with the pick.

And as far as Oher possibly grading out to be the best LT prospect in years...well, we took an LT with our 15th pick. He may have been a G, but we drafted him to play LT, and he's done a pretty damn good job in his first three starts, especially going up against Abraham and Seymour.

Albert is our LT of the future, and I could understand the desire to lock up a premier left side of the line for the next 10 years, but it doesn't matter how beastly they can block if we continue to trot out scrubs like Thigpen to play behind them. You don't draft a G at #15 overall. It doesn't make sense. We have a LT, and we ought to give him a chance to develop before we decide to shuffle him inside. Albert could be the next Willie Roaf. We'll have to wait and see.

And suppose we pass on Stafford and draft Oher, or Rey, or whoever. WTF happens when we do better than expected and end up drafting 7th or 8th or some sh*t in 2010 and both Bradford and Sanchez are on the board and we miss out altogether? That would be a travesty.

Any chance Robinson falls to rd 2? Man that would be a helluva draft.

Rd. 1 Bradford/Stafford
Rd. 2 Robinson

Sign a Vilma and an Asomugha.
Our line could be really solid then.

This is exactly why drafting Oher over Stafford would be myopic.

Great post.

I dunno. That would be great. Mecca posted the Top 100 draft prospects a week ago or so.

I think Selvie was listed around 50. I'm sure he'll shoot up over the course of the season and the combine. But ...

1. Stafford
2. Selvie

would be pretty damn fine.

Really, there's going to be a hell of a lot of good players available with the 33rd pick.

Oh, for sure. It would just be pretty nice to get a guy with a motor like Selvie and move Tamba back to LDE. Selvie/Dorsey/Tank/Tamba.

I could live with that set-up.

Personally, I htink Turk is going to end up better than Tamba.

He's bigger, stronger, faster and more athletic.
He's just learning, and has more upside.

Tamba will be decent rotational depth.

I could live with that as well.

If Selvie fell out of the top 10, I would be inclined to move up and snag him. but he's not likely to.

I think I'll send him some traction boots and tell him to go all David Blaine for a few days before the combine.

Get your best players on the field and if one is graded out as the best at his position you take him, because he's the BPA. KC can really secure the line with Oher in the 1st and Robinson or Herman Johnson in the second round. It's not about "well he's good enough", it's about attaining the best.

We could have the best LT, LG, C, RG and RT in the history of the game at the same time and with our QB's we'd still stink.

QB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>O-line

Without a line it doesn't matter, Hell you could have Manning/Brady here, and they would still fail because the conditions. It's all about availability too, Oher is the BPA while Stafford who people are hyping him up because of his arm, but has major issues concerning decision making. If you read Herm's comments, how the hell can rookie play with a man who's afraid of mistakesand overall development of player, by weathering those mistakes.

Herm and Carl will be done by the end of the year. Stafford will be the first pick by the new regime.

Really, How do you know this concerning the regime and the slotted pick? If Kunarich is the GM, I'd suspect he'll go for the BPA which would be Oher.

So you're saying the best possible player in the draft would be playing RT for us? That's brilliant use of a #1 overall pick.

Nope Oher's an LT, place Albert back at OG( where he's considered all-world) or RT, then draft Herman Johnson or Duke Robinson in the 2nd round.

Oh Noes!!!!!!! We are stuck with Croyle :rolleyes:

So taking an OG with the #15 pick, that we traded up for. Again brilliant.

And being stuck with Croyle really means being stuck with Huard and Thigpen.

No sh*t.

We didn't draft Albert to play G...or RT. He was drafted to be our LT and he's doing surprisingly well for a rookie. You don't always have to take the best player available.

Hell, Crabtree might prove to be the BPA after this season's done. I don't want to take him #1 overall even if he is. We desperately need a QB we can build a team around. I wanted Brodie to be the answer. He got injured. He isn't the answer. We don't need to sign an LT and try to switch Albert around and totally nullify his entire season learning the position because Oher is the BPA. If Stafford is graded high enough, or any other QB that might come out; take them.

Who knows when we'll be in the position to grab a franchise QB again. If we do better than expected next season and don't grab a QB, then we might miss the train altogether and then what?

Wait for one of these spread offense gimmick QB's to come out and draft them and spend two seasons just letting them learn the pro style offense?

How many people would be advocating taking Crabtree if he ended up with like 1,500 yards recieving and 25 TD's?