Plus if somehow Croyle stays healthy. TG could be his best friend. I'd rather see TG traded AFTER this season, unless the offer is uncommonly too good to pass up.

I'd rather Bowe be Croyle's best friend since I know Tony's on short time, but he's no less valuable.

That would not surprise me. The way I've heard he takes care of himself, he could be the Brett Favre of TEs.

I say trade LJ's ass if there's a reasonable offer out there for him anyway. We should take the cap hit now that we can.

If Clark isn't in the loop enough to know that Tony is on the block, he's too out of the loop to care what Carl even does.



Part of me is wondering if Tony's speaking out behind closed doors questioning Herm. Didn't take Trent long to get out of town once he started voicing his opinion on the state of the offense.

Sad thing about trading Tony is, even if we get a 1st rounder, it won't be a high pick. Any team that can give us a pick high enough in the first to be worth it IMO isn't going to make it to the playoffs this year anyway which means Tony won't go for the trade.

If I was Tony, I would go straight to Clark and explain his situation then ask for a trade and bypassing the King Carl BS.

My heart agrees with you, but my head says there are other HOFers who retired without a ring. Guys like Dan Marino. Tony's value to this team and Croyle (assuming he lasts the rest of the season) is immeasurable.

Yeah ... I know, Mr. DeezNutz. It's silly to feel the way I do and I know it.

Still, I'd much rather that Gonzo spend his entire career as a Chief ... which he would have been able to do had it not been for our front office.

FAX

The thing is, though, if Gonzo wants out and another team offers significant value and Carl doesn't trade him, he's going to be pissed off as all get out and then some, Mr. Frankie. That doesn't do the team much good.

FAX

If division rivals Eagles and Giants both have a hard on for him, why not a 1?

I don't disagree with the sentiment that you've expressed. Gonzo is still a very productive player, and, if we were fans of a competently run franchise, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Just call him the next Kimble Anders.

You may be 4-1 but I know for sure that "we bettah den you pahtnah...":D

Carl would do something dumb like trade Tony for a sack of footballs and a couple Jock straps or something like that

I haven't read the whole thread. Heard a bit on 610 during my lunch break today (they never gave a source)... and there was no mention of it on 810.

Is there anything to indicate that there's any truth to this?

There's definitely substance to the report.

thanks bernstein

:D Nice.

Dumbasses
 

Anyone that even remotely wants to trade Tony Gonzalez is a dumbass. He is the face of the franchise and the best home-grown player since DT. There are some things you never do, and trading the best Chiefs player in the last 15 years is one of them. Trade away LJ. He is a bitch. Tony is a pro's pro.

Edit: If he requests a trade, then by all means try and get it done.

what's worse - trading a 32 year old hall of fame TE, or trading a 26 year old DE who so far was on his way to a hall of fame career?

doing both in the same year?

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Jared Allen?

HOFer?

You need to lay off the drugs.

If you think Jared is a HOF, I get some Ocean-front property for you. How can you even compare the 2. TG is lock for the HOF, and arguably the best TE EVER!!! JA is one drink away from a has been. Have you watched any VIQUEENS games??

This is depressing. I'm going to go outside and kick the neighbor's dog.

FAX

Watching the Preds game Mr. FAX?

You might want to kick two dogs...

Looks like the Donkeys were trying to acquire a murderer.
Per fanball.com/newsbreakers

Well, if he's going to do that, can he just tell Clark that he'll demand a trade unless Carl and Herm are fired? That would be the best of all possible deals.

Make it happen, Gonzo!

FAX

Well... the good thing is that we will know if this is just rumor or true by next Tuesday.

If he leaves, do you think that the average Chiefs fan will be pissed, Mr. pr_capone?

FAX

how many times can you be kicked in the nads till it doesn’t phase you anymore mr. fax? Id imagine we're about there.

I wish you were here Mr. FAX. My neighbor's 2 little shit-dogs yap 24-7. She never takes them for a walk. Just kicks'em out the backdoor 6 am. You are welcome to come here and take your depression out on them.

Come on now you know what to do.

http://www.centrecountyrecycles.com/...reezecolor.jpg

For Tony's sake, I hope the rumor is true.

In all honesty, it would help the Chiefs long term as well.

It'll suck for a little while from a fan's perspective, but in the end I think it will be for the best.

I'd rather higher a hitman. Mr. FAX has just announced his qualifications.

I think Fax said he's more of a kickman

In the end I doubt it will matter cause I don't think Tony is going anywhere

To be honest... I don't believe so. While many, especially on this board, will disagree vehemently over whether or not it was the right move... at the end of the day we have too many other things to be pissed about to really be truly angry at seeing Gonzo The Magnificent go to another team.

Especially if he gets to the Superbowl.

I also don't believe that CP has the stones to trade Tony on his own. If Tony leaves KC, I believe it will be because he requested the trade.

Oh ... no question that Gonzo would initiate the deal. Undoubtedly. I also believe 100 percent that he wants to be as far away from Herm as possible. Maybe further.

I guess you guys are right, though. By now, who really gives a sh*t. I'll be back in a minute. Spot's still moving.

FAX

And I don't believe for a minute that CP could resist the urge to take a few shots at him on the way out of town.

That's good enough. Mr FAX's talent goes back to his previous life as depicted here on this recently unearthed ancient relief.
http://science.kukuchew.com/wp-conte...7/dog_kick.JPG

Just following up ... Planeteers aren't representative of the average Chiefs fan - are they?

Anyway, it seems to me that the average Chiefs fan would feel that we lost our last connection to the days when we had a good team. Plus, as has been said, in many respects Gonzo is the face of the franchise. I would think that it would sting a little.

FAX

What does this have to do with Mr. FAX being a kickman?

ROFL

Did you guys know that an Aussie is somewhat aerodynamic?

FAX

I don't see it.

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I don't disagree that it will sting... I just don't see waves of Chiefs fans descending upon Arrowhead with pikes demanding Carl's head on a platter either.

As for Planeteers being representative of the average fan.... I believe so. At least the ardent ones. I give credit to Chiefs fans for, in my humble opinion, being some of the more knowledgeable fans in the NFL. I think that we as Chiefs fans relate closely to Cornhusker fans.... we each follow our team intently because there is not much else to do. :D

You don't actually go to the games, do you?

lol

yeah, I do.

perhaps my view of the fans has been jaded by my time on the board?

JMO, but yes.

About the only knowledgeable fans I've seen at Arrowhead are the people I know from this place.

Jesus, the people that sat in 312 last year make KCJ's football IQ look like Bill ****ing Walsh's.

Well, I'm not saying one could handle a non-stop, trans-Atlantic job, Mr. Frankie. But, when you boot one high enough, they do sail pretty darn well for a land animal. I'm guessing the longish fur catches the wind currents and provides some lift.

FAX

I agree Brock, he is only 32 IIRC.

Correct.

You hit that one out of the park Pastor, grand slam.

I think I'm gonna go pick up Eli Manning for my fantasy team.

No ****ing shit. :spock:

Yep no problem, the draft picks will be awesome, because Herm is picking. We have Hali Damnit!

Tony is speaking out in public to question Herm. But the issue is, he isnt questioning what is best for the Chiefs, he is questioning whats best for Tony Gonzalez.

The writing was on the wall the second Tony left the locker room in a huff after the Chiefs finally WON a game. Even Shannon Sharpe said Tony never should have done that, and when you are making Shannon look smart, you know you messed up.

Gonzalez has been a great player and one of the best Chiefs ever. But the guy has already said he would retire THIS year if he won a Super Bowl. He is ready to go live on the beach for 10 years and his only focus is his own agenda, not anything with the team.

If they can get something good for him, they should absolutely do it. And they should move LJ while they are in a trading mood.

Getting rid od Lj would make it easier to swallow, but I still don't want to see Tony go. He is known quality. Herm could draft a Sims, Medloc or Hali with the pick.

Can anyone explain why the Giants of all teams would want to trade for Tony? Shockey went down 2-3 weeks before the playoffs, they still won the Super Bowl, they're currently undefeated, and their offense is leading the league in both yards and points per game. Boss isn't a superstar, but is there some big hole in their offense that he isn't filling?

But for how many more years is he a known quality? Two? He has only committed to playing one more year after this season. And we could make a bad pick, or we could get a Bowe or a Branden Albert. Or Flowers or Carr or someone else who was a good pick. That is the risk of trading somebody. Trading Gonzalez is far less risky than trading Allen was. Actually, it isnt really a risk at all.

The only drawback to trading him is the sentimental reasons.

I clicked there. Nothing happened. What a ripoff.

I don't wanna see Tony traded... because he's ****in' Tony G.

He's the Chiefs version of George Brett for me.

Call me selfish... I want him to be a Chief.

Just another failed attempt at blogging. :shake:

If he got traded now and won a SB this year
I don't see how he would feel like he really deserved the ring
it would feel cheap and 1/2 a season clunky -but that's just me

I have not read this thread, and am drunk as hell, But this team has NOT shown the ability to pick a player worth a 36 yr old Gonzalez in th e2nd or 3rd. They trade him for anything less than a 1st, then they've shown me that they don't think that he could be a contributor when they get this thing in the POs. Which is absolutely reeruned. In the NFL, with thr picks we will have, and the cap space available ther is NO REASON why we can't turn it around. by 2009. If This happens, I'm done with this franchise period until carl, and herm are gone. PERIOD. I will shock my friends, and family, if we trade Tony for anything less than a 1st. I will shun the chiefs. I'm not fukin kidding.

you are drunk

Mr. blueballs has a point ... not like a physical point point ... like an insightful, on target contribution to the topic point.

Let's say that we trade Gonzo. Let's say that he goes to a team that doesn't emphasize the TE position as a "go to" weapon on offense. Let's say that he sits on the bench a lot studying the playbook. Then, let's say that they go to the Super Bowl and win the dang thing. Gonzo will have a ring, sure. But, will it be satisfying? Will it be worth it? Since he didn't actually contribute to that objective, I mean?

FAX

i think your both fools. you play in the league for 10 yrs. work ur azz off for all of em. get traded. during your time there you make your blocks, catch the passes thrown your way, and still constantly work your azz off. you play 10 or 11 games with some guys and win a super bowl. it would most likely be one of the most gratifying points in his life.

This is the problem.

People in KC overvalue the TE position because of Tony.

But the fact is, the TE position is one of the least valuable positions on a football team.

If I'm the Chiefs GM, I would want at least a 2nd rounder for Tony.
If I'm the GM of a team attempting to trade for Tony, I'd offer a 4th.

You'd hope they would compromise and settle on a 3rd, but as the GM of another team, that's is the best offer you'd ever get.

The flaw in this reasoning is that the Giants just traded Shockey away for a 2nd and a 5th. I'd say GMs have a pretty good idea about the value of the Tight End position the way it's been played since Tony got here.

If Tony were still 28 years old, I'd give up a 2nd and a 5th for him.

But that's as much as I give up for a TE in his prime., even one considered the best ever.

HAHA Another Dumb statement by the tard!

Thanks!

16 pages of nothing but speculation. Mind numbing!!

Hmmm. So, let's say you were related to an independent director and he invited you on location to watch as his next movie was being shot. And, let's say you contributed absolutely nothing to the production of the film other than sitting around on the set, bitching, criticizing others, and misspelling simple words. Then let's say, when the Acadamy Awards rolled around, the movie won the Oscar for Best Picture. You're saying that you would feel just as satisfied and accomplished as the director or producer or lead actor or the other people who actually worked on the movie?

FAX

Dude.....

There are over three million posts in this forum's existence, of which I'm fairly certain over half are nothing but speculation.

Gonzalez is not worth less than Jeremy Shockey. No sir.

I don't like Shockey, he can't stay healthy.

That being said, there's no way in hell I'm trading away the future for a guy that has 3 years of productivity left.

But then, I'm one of the very few that hated the trade we made to get Montana.

Gonzalez for Shockey's draft picks? A first round draft pick MUST be involved if Tony will be traded. Even if it's just a first round pick and nothing else. I'm all for it.