Herm now has seniority among coaches in the AFC west.

Heh. I can hear cars honking, I assume in celebration. Fickle people, these Broncos fans.

I don't know...Vermeil put together GREAT offenses...Shanahan hasn't had a great offense...really ever.

We had a championship caliber football team TWICE during the Vermeil era...2003 and 2005 (didn't make the playoffs in 2005 but I STILL believe we were the best team on paper...things just didn't fall our way)...

If we got Vermeil when he was 50...he would have been an outstanding coach and I guarantee we would have won a Super Bowl during his tenure. It wasn't just luck that he put together that Rams team...he did the same thing in KC but the defense came up short...that dude was a football mastermind that could at least admit mistakes.

Herm Still Has a Job


:banghead:

Herm is sitting in his office preping his GM resume for the donks

how many 11-5 teams don't make the playoffs? yes, they were not as good as last year, and they are for sure not the best team without him, but its not like they went 2-14.

well everyone points to Belichick and Cleveland...but he was well on his way until that franchise up and moved to Baltimore...then he was put in a position to fail.

The only thing I don't like about these comments is everyone makes them, but they're really full of crap. Anytime anybody finds a good QB or really good player, they "lucked" into them. Except for guys like Belichick.

And Belichick is the one who "lucked" into the greatest 6th round pick in NFL history. Shanahan probably "lucked" one of the greatest 6th round running backs in NFL history. But apparently Cowher was held hostage at gunpoint and "lucked" into the 11th pick in the draft. Yeah right. I personally don't think I'd rank Cowher ahead of Belichick or maybe even Shanahan, but this "lucked out" garbage to defend your opinion is a bunch of crap. Especially when you're talking about a top 15 draft selection. There aren't too many teams that win a Super Bowl that don't catch a lucky break here and there.

Wouldn't that be a dream come true. Get rid of the stiff and hang him on the donks!

Yes, I know Vermeil put GREAT offenses. Shanahan's offense wasn't up to Vermeil's offense style point, but they did the job done one way or another.

I wouldn't guarentee on the Vermeil issue, since the Lambs had one of the terrible defenses during his time in St. Louis. That's when management finally told him that either you can quit, or you can stay on, but we will hire the defensive coordinator for the job.

I mean, Vermeil did bring in Greg ****ing Robinson, for goodness sakes.

I'm ok with the DeCosta/Ryan duo that someone suggested.

Actually, I think Shannarat having personnel powers in Dungver was his undoing. Bring him to KC with a competent GM and I'd be ecstatic.

Like others have said it is sad that Herm still has his job

Now THAT'S the best reply I've seen in this thread so far!


Booger; you RULE!

It would be poetic justice if they went after Carl and or Herm/Gun

holy shit


:eek:

maybe we can get a fourth for him

Wellll we have an 8-8 team as the division winner. We all suck.

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Yea our divison is garbage.

Just saw it posted on 9news website

http://www.9news.com/news/article.as...pFK4VUt6u44%3D

Wow, so Shanahan wasn't as good without John Elway and Cowher wasn't as good without Big Ben. :hmmm:

;)

I remember people wanting Cowher to come to KC before the Steelers' SB... I'd welcome him to KC, but then again I'd welcome Elmer Fudd as HC if it meant getting rid of Herm.


You really like talking about penises.

It's like a funeral on NFLN. I think Terrell Davis is going to cry at any moment.

this is so effin funny

I can't quit smacking my dick against the keyboard

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Oh wow. I am shocked.

And Clark still thinks he can wait a month to hire a GM and then be able to decide on Herm's fate and still have halfway decent potential head coaches available to select from should he decide to fire Herm??

Good Lord

Yeah, I didn't word that right...I didn't mean he lucked into Ben Roethlisberger...obviously they drafted him and thought highly of him...but they had no plans starting him until Maddox got hurt and then he rattled off like 8 straight wins and they finished 15-1...

But what I'm saying is...before Roethlisberger Cowher was thought of as nothing more than an average coach who many people wondered how he still had a job and why he was the longest tenured coach when he really had done nothing other than choke in the playoffs...

Now don't get me wrong...Cowher stopped using the Marty 'pound the rock' offense and turned the reigns over to Ken Whisenhunt and that offense was awesome...they used Ward and Randle El (both former QB's) and had a lot of awesome gadget plays and used a great mix of run plays and pass plays (and had Bettis and discovered Willie Parker) and even used one of the greatest gadget plays I've ever seen against Seattle in the Super Bowl...

Cowher and his staff were awesome that year...played great defense and balanced offense and weren't afraid of taking risks...

All I'm saying is...that season appeared to get in his head as they didn't show much the following season and then he decided to take some time off...

I'm just worried that he is complacent...and isn't willing to work around the clock like he used to...because he's been there, done that...and now he thinks he knows it all...

I don't know, I could be wrong...but I really like what I saw with the new guys this year...fresh set of eyes getting a chance to live their dream...and we're in a position to get one of those QB's that worked so well for Harbaugh and Mike Smith...plus we already have a roster full of young guys...it's a perfect situation for a young coach and a young GM.

I bet bowlen gave him a good bye fluffy fur coat

insulated rat skin of course

Me too. Ryan can coach up the defense. I trust Gailey with the offense. I love it when a plan comes together.

...not counting those 2 Superbowls, they haven't been much better than the Chiefs. Also, aside from getting shot in the head, Abraham Lincoln really enjoyed the play.

Basically...I was a guy who kind of wanted to take the Orakpo/QB in the 2nd or 3rd approach...and then I was looking at a lot of teams past drafts and realized that the best teams on a year to year basis don't necessarily have good drafts...or great drafts...some of them even have extremely poor drafts...

The one constant that makes a team good is QB play...plain and simple...the offense needs a QB to go...and the defense feeds off of a guy like Peyton who they can depend on to win games even if they make constant mistakes...and if Peyton keeps bailing them out it gives them even more motivation to make plays and help him out for once...that's what I notice with Indy's defense this year...they are god awful...but they continue to try and get that big play because they know that Peyton and the offense can always bail them out if the **** up.

I'm not sure if that makes a lot of sense to anyone...but I can assure you...the Colts defense isn't that much better than the Chiefs defense...regardless of what the numbers might suggest.

ROFLROFL

uh oh, Shefter just threw the Chiefs and Shanahan together. lol

That effing website crashes anytime something big happens

A lot of fans on this board are unrealistic...

1 Super Bowl win every 10-15 years in today's NFL (parity) is about all you can expect.

Dynasties in the NFL should be dead...which makes what the Patriots have done astonishing...they simply out coach and out scheme everyone...and see the big picture in the offseason better than any team.

omg

shefter mentioned hypathetically wouldn't KC love to hire him IF they look to replace Edwards.

i would have more confidence in shannarat developing a new QB than anyone around our team now

It wouldn't bother me...at least with Shanahan we're getting one of the best GAMEDAY coaches in the NFL...if not the best.

I just hope he doesn't get say in personnel. Let him coach, keep him involved in personnel but don't give him anything more than an opinion.

Can you imagine, Marty as GM and Shanahan as head coach??

What are your thoughts on the move Garcia?

little twerp shefter is such a slob knobber.

Called him Mr. Bowlen.

Obviously on the payroll

Honestly, it wouldnt bother me either. He's a HELL of alot better then Sperman.

Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz will reportedly be Scott Pioli's first choice to replace Romeo Crennel in Cleveland if Pioli lands the Browns' GM job.

Sorry, I don't want Kirk Ferentz as the Chiefs next head coach.

NEXT CANDIDATE PLEASE.

Holy Shit. I'm sad that he's gone, because I think he'd lost his effectiveness in Denver. That said, a fresh start with another AFC west team may be just what the doctor ordered. ****in print em.

No, no I can not. Nor do I ever want to.

I think it's not something that will be regretted, but I think it's one season too early given the offesive success. I think what happened was Bowlen wanted to take away personal aspects and Mike said no, and Pat said I have to make a change then.

Martz was fired by Singletary

Must be the online company I keep.

I fell kind of bad about the whole thing. Can we send you Herm to help ease your mind about who your next coach is going to be? :D

This is obviously a shrewd business move by the Broncos owner. He has to fire Shanny before he can hire Herm Edwards to "rebuild" his team for him.

Is Denver looking for a new GM now also?

Maybe Shanahan will luck into a few Superbowls in KC with Stafford.

Why does Herm still have a job? 2-14 over 4-12 is NOT an improvement Clarke. A half empty stadium over a sellout crowd is NOT an improvement Carl. Time to take out the garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cuss:

Yep... he went to 6 AFC Championship games with the Steelers and won 2 of them. I know I've heard criticism before about playoff coaching decisions and whatever, but he can obviously win playoff games; something Herm will never be able to do more than once or twice in one playoff season with his current philosophy.

Gosh. That's aweful thoughtful. I like him where he is. :)

Are you really this dumb?

Yeah, you make some good points. I didn't mean to bite your head off. Everyone just keeps saying Cowher lucked into this and that. I'm not sure he's my favorite pick just because of his past ties here but I don't think he's that horrible, he's better than Marty and Herm, and I think bringing up stuff from 1994 is tough because I do think he learned and became better as the seasons went along. I'm afraid he'd want too much power, but we'll see.

I'd much rather hire a GM and coach separate and let the GM do his thing.

The reality is though that most of these "defensive" coaches usually have to have help to get a great offense. Cowher, Dungy, even Belichick, I'm not sure he'd be much different than Cowher if he didn't find Brady. Otherwise they're just a team with Drew Bledsoe and a hodge podge group of WR's.

I don't mean to knock any of these guys really though... the reason the Steelers, Colts, Patriots, etc find these guys late in the draft is because they're good at evaluating players and then they stick to their draft board and take guys with potential, some of them pan out and some of them don't.

Hasn't Bowlen mentioned he would like to see the team build through the draft?


I'm not joking. I coulda swore i heard that last offseason.

I don't necessarily agree with that, either.

Herm has shown the ability to at least improvise...a little bit.

Herm really needed to be a better game day coach...it's hard to think any person wouldn't be capable of improving in that aspect...hire someone a little better than Dick Curl...

I don't know...Herm went 6-26 the last two seasons...sorry dude, you dug your own grave.

I don't think he's as bad as this board makes him out to be but he definitely deserves to be fired.

That's the million dollar question.

Dan Reeves was also the GM...or rather VP of FB operations. Wade Phillips was just the coach. So for the exception of 3 years, Bowlen has always had a coach that ran the personal. Now we have these two guys called the Goodmans....father and son, that have done an excellent drafting job the past 3 seasons. I would be suprised if they were let go.

Greg Robinson is available and comes highly recommended by DV

No no my orange and blue friend. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that your mind was not at ease thinking about such things as that empty hole in your coaching staff. Please reconsider......... :thumb:

I'm sad to see him go, but it had to happen. Things were stalled.

Now that it has happened, this opens the door nicely for Cohwer (if truly interested) to come in and build his staff - including the GM role.

****'in A!

Maybe he doesn't want clark to sit on his ass and do nothing like most chiefs fans.
So its better to wait for everyone else to get their HC in place before us?

I still think that if they switched Dungy and Herm, Herm wins 12+ a year with the Colts and they win the Super Bowl or 2, or 3 that Peyton is going to end up winning.

I think that team is what it is because of Peyton Manning. That's just a personal opinion on Dungy...look at his coaching tree...it's dying. Those guys that run the Tampa 2 weren't able to adapt to the rest of the NFL figuring it out...all of those guys from Dungy's staff consistently get beat on 3rd and long...it's just a dead defense...it has been figured out and because of it, the Dungy tree is going to die out because none of those guys adapted. Lovie doesn't hardly even use the Cover 2 anymore and other than Herm, I think he's the only one still going...and he's on thin, thin ice in Chicago.

I'd be totally content with Cowher...but I wouldn't be surprised to see this board calling for his head in two years when we go back-to-back 6-10.

We have a young, young team...with a young owner...lets get a young GM and a young coach and GROW together...that would be my ideal situation...

I could take a few seasons of suck and still remain optimistic if we had young, energetic guys that didn't talk down to the fan base like ol' Herm does.

I'm not sure if his ego would allow it, but Shanahan as an offensive coordinator wouldn't be bad

HELL YES!

LOL. Man it would be awesome to have Edwards, but I just don't think the city is for him. We have to consider his well being.

The only dudes still trucking along from the Dungy coaching tree are Tomlin and Frazier and they blitz the living hell out of opposing teams...

I don't remember Herm/Gunther throwing together one good blitz the entire season...

Great,The donkeys fire there coach while Herm still has a job? wtf. Clark get the ball moving...

kinda hard to do with Shanny's 20 mil left to payout and the 10 mil or less it will take for BC.

He would have to be out of football for a year or two for his ego to accept an OC job. Besides he will have several teams ringing his cell phone tonight for a HC job.

The question is will he accept one without being the GM. If he will he could coach just about any team with a HC opening he wants. If he demands the GM job he could be umemployed for a year, but I bet he can find at least one stupid owner willing to give him total control.

Hmmm, well if you change your mind, shoot Clark an email at [email protected] and I bet he will hook you up. :D

wouldnt it be great though if we fire Herm, and the donkeys hire him. That would make this offseason extra special for me.

You give herm way too much credit.
Dungy is a way better coach than herm.
Dungy at least knew enough not to ruin the offense he inherited.

His $ isn't cap related, so Bowlen can spend whatever he wants to spend.

how would you ruin an offense that Peyton Manning is running?

If Peyton Manning was a Chief, this year, with this roster, we'd have EASILY won the West.

Easily.

The Colts don't have a better running game, they don't have a better offensive line...they have better receivers (even though not by as much as you'd think, Harrison stunk this year) and Peyton Manning...that is it.

They also have a lousy defense...just like the Chiefs.

Peyton Manning will be, and should be, the unanimous league MVP...he did miracle work (on one leg) for Indy this season.

Like, unbelievable. I think tk13 lives in the Indy area, or something like that...I think he would agree with this.

Just passing along what Shefter said. He guarantees Cowher doesn't coach next year and he mentioned not to expect a big name or better put big money hire

You'll be seeing him on NFL Network or CBS before that! There is no way he could deal with that kind of demotion. I don't know if he'd go coach somewhere he didn't have personnel decisions much less the head coaching job...

as in...

This was, by far, Peyton Manning's best season. I mean, he single-handedly has the best statistical season of all time (yes, even better than Tom Brady last year) in 2004 (I believe, maybe 2005...the year he threw 49 TD passes with a 122 QB rating)...

But in terms of what he had to work with...he's never had a better season. I love watching the Colts because of Peyton Manning...if the Chiefs ever had a QB like him...I don't know what I'd do...I'd be like John Hinckley, Jr. trying to assassinate the President to win over said QB's affection.