Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415553)

Put it this way nodody truly knows what the hell has transpired or was talked about between Clark, Scott and Herm. For all we know they're just moving forward with what they have and purging the roster of weak links i.e. Gun.

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415553)

Put it this way nodody truly knows what the hell has transpired or was talked about between Clark, Scott and Herm. For all we know they're just moving forward with what they have and purging the roster of weak links i.e. Gun.

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5415559)

Ok...now I am actually starting to believe it...

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 5415546)

Excerpt from the Woody Paige page:

nebroncofan wrote:Steve I think it will be Gruden in KC. Pioli isn't going to give Shanahan the control he desires. I think Shanny will be in Dallas soon.

I thought so too.....but he will be the K.C. coach....and it will happen no later than Monday. I heard a rumor he was headed to Dallas with Jeremy Bates...that the Cowboys fired their D Coordinator to move Wade Phillips to DCoordinator so that Jerry Jones could save face by telling everyone he wasn't going to fire Wade....but now I hear K.C. and soon.

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 5415546)

Excerpt from the Woody Paige page:

nebroncofan wrote:Steve I think it will be Gruden in KC. Pioli isn't going to give Shanahan the control he desires. I think Shanny will be in Dallas soon.

I thought so too.....but he will be the K.C. coach....and it will happen no later than Monday. I heard a rumor he was headed to Dallas with Jeremy Bates...that the Cowboys fired their D Coordinator to move Wade Phillips to DCoordinator so that Jerry Jones could save face by telling everyone he wasn't going to fire Wade....but now I hear K.C. and soon.

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 5415569)

Hmm. This has me thinking then, and I wouldn't put it past Shanarat, that it is quite possible Shanarat is leaking this information and using KC as leverage to get Jerry Jones to pony up with more money and control. I wouldn't be surprised to see Shanarat to Dallas talks heat up again real quick...

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415553)

Put it this way nodody truly knows what the hell has transpired or was talked about between Clark, Scott and Herm. For all we know they're just moving forward with what they have and purging the roster of weak links i.e. Gun.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5415574)

Jerry Jones doesn't give up control for anybody.

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415553)

Put it this way nodody truly knows what the hell has transpired or was talked about between Clark, Scott and Herm. For all we know they're just moving forward with what they have and purging the roster of weak links i.e. Gun.

Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5415337)

You've drifted far away from common sense. The Chiefs have no reason to keep Herm's firing secret. It does absolutely nothing for them. As soon as Herm is officially terminated we will know right away because he and his agent will pursue other work, whether in coaching or TV and the media will know this. And the Chiefs will begin the process of "officially" intervieiwng candidates, including at least one minority candidate. Even if they have already talked to Shanahan through back channels and have decided internally that he is the next coach.

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 5415588)

It would probably be a Parcells type deal. Shanarat probably would want to fire everyone and hire his own people, not keep Wade Phillips and Co around...

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5415584)

Purguing the roster so they can go out and hire coordinators to one year deals? That'll go over like turd in a punch bowl. No coordinator is going to uproot their family for a one year deal. Herm's done in KC.

Originally Posted by ChiefPote (Post 5415603)

If shanahan is given the job, should we change the "rat" icon to something more respectful. So many problems......

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 5415588)

It would probably be a Parcells type deal. Shanarat probably would want to fire everyone and hire his own people, not keep Wade Phillips and Co around...

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5415560)

If your going to purge the rooster of weak links, Herm has to go....

6-26 says it all...

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 5415610)

No, he'll always be a rat. He'll just be our rat. Like "Ben."

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 5415549)

As a gameday coach, I'd go to war with Shanarat on my sideline any day. It gives us two edges IMO, the guy will do everything in his power to go 4-0 against both Denver and Oakland every year. And he is a solid gameday coach. And if he is truly going to coach here, he's already accepted the fact that he will work WITH Pioli to bring in new players, not tell Pioli who to bring in. That seemed to be his downfall in Denver.

The only thing that would worry me most would be his ability to put together a defense. He needs to hire a solid defensive staff, otherwise we're going to go through the same defensive deficiencies we've seen this decade...

Originally Posted by ChiefPote (Post 5415603)

If shanahan is given the job, should we change the "rat" icon to something more respectful? So many problems......

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 5415610)

No, he'll always be a rat. He'll just be our rat. Like "Ben."

Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 5415605)

I don't think "full control" is an issue with Pioli. By that I mean, he seemed to indicate that they always went with the pick that both he and the coach agreed upon. If he's amicable, then it doesn't have to be a my way or the highway situation.

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 5415618)

I have a question about this. Is it more likely that Pioli will pick the assistants, or not? Knowing Shanahan's past, I wouldn't be surprised if Pioli let him pick the OC, but not the DC, and just told Shan to turn over control of the D to his DC or something. I dont really know how it works, but I thought that was part of 'total control of the team'.

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415612)

How it is that all the Herm haters can put everything on him is beyond me:rolleyes:

I truly think Carl had him handcuffed for all of his first year and most of his second. Clark bought into what Herm wanted to do and the mistakes via the draft and FA falls directly on the shoulders of Carl and Dick!

We all know it takes time to build a great football team and you can't do crap without depth at many key positions which was derailed by aging vets. Whatever happens, happens, but I think Herm got the short end of the stick on this one. I know I'm in the minority when it comes down to keeping Herm, but so be it!

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 5415013)

There is one other team out there that could land his Dad, but KC is closer to Denver and Shanahan would like to be as close to Colorado as possible. Anyway, take it for what it's worth.

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 5415630)

See the Dolphin and Falcons.

May not be 'great' ....but it didn't take them 2+ seasons to rebuild and become playoff bound...

...just sayin.

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415612)

How it is that all the Herm haters can put everything on him is beyond me:rolleyes:

I truly think Carl had him handcuffed for all of his first year and most of his second. Clark bought into what Herm wanted to do and the mistakes via the draft and FA falls directly on the shoulders of Carl and Dick!

We all know it takes time to build a great football team and you can't do crap without depth at many key positions which was derailed by aging vets. Whatever happens, happens, but I think Herm got the short end of the stick on this one. I know I'm in the minority when it comes down to keeping Herm, but so be it!

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 5415631)

What other NFL team could land Shanahan as a head coach at this point? Not the Raiders obviously. Unless Kyle Shanahan thinks a team who hasn't fired their head coach yet (like the Chiefs) is going to do so and hire Shanahan.

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 5415269)

i don't recall Garcia Bronco ever posting bullshit before


so i'll take him at his word.

Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5415349)

Why doesn't the interview of Herm count? I think it's stupid that it won't.

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 5415630)

See the Dolphin and Falcons.

May not be 'great' ....but it didn't take them 2+ seasons to rebuild and become playoff bound...

...just sayin.

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415640)

I agree with these teams getting things turned around in a hurry, but think Herm's only had one to do what he's wanted to do since coming here.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5415660)

Because he's already employed and under contract.

Why is this so difficult for so many to understand?

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 5415663)

I also believe John Fox took Carolina's 31 ranked defense and his first year had them ranked #1, and it took Marty and Wade Phillips one year to turn around a crap San Diego team and bottom feeding defense.

Herm's issue IMO is not in the theory of rebuilding a team with young guys, it is in the way he's gone about doing it...

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 5415645)

This isnt meant as a bashing, but what has Herm done in his entire career as an NFL head coach, that has you so convinced that he can do anything better than some, if not most, of the candidates out there? What traits does he possess that you think will/do make him a capable leader that can take a team from 2-14 to a championship within the next 2 seasons, which will likely require training and teaching a rookie QB for the NFL?

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 5415673)

I am curious how the heck they'd announce Shanarat in a couple of days if they haven't interviewed anyone under the Rooney Rule. Unless they sat Jon Embree or someone down to do that, or held secretive interviews behind the scenes with someone else out there, I don't see how they could move so quickly to bring Shanarat in. Which gives me even more reason to doubt Shanarat is coming here anytime soon...

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415679)

If memory serves me right, Chad Pennington was a young impressionable QB when he took over the Jets and the best trait Herm has is that he is a great leader, the man has a niche for leading young and old. That's why he gets the label of a players coach. Name me one team that lost badly last year where the players were all in favor of their coach returning. One thing struck me by surprise when Tony G. came out in support for Herm in a big way and from what I understand about Tony is that he tells it like it truly is. Herm has the full support of his players and to me that's all that matters.

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 5415673)

I am curious how the heck they'd announce Shanarat in a couple of days if they haven't interviewed anyone under the Rooney Rule. Unless they sat Jon Embree or someone down to do that, or held secretive interviews behind the scenes with someone else out there, I don't see how they could move so quickly to bring Shanarat in. Which gives me even more reason to doubt Shanarat is coming here anytime soon...

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415679)

If memory serves me right, Chad Pennington was a young impressionable QB when he took over the Jets and the best trait Herm has is that he is a great leader, the man has a niche for leading young and old. That's why he gets the label of a players coach. Name me one team that lost badly last year where the players were all in favor of their coach returning. One thing struck me by surprise when Tony G. came out in support for Herm in a big way and from what I understand about Tony is that he tells it like it truly is. Herm has the full support of his players and to me that's all that matters.

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415679)

Herm has the full support of his players and to me that's all that matters.

Originally Posted by Taco John (Post 5415690)

The fine is only $200,000, and you're firing a black coach to hire the most qualified coach in all of football available.

It would be easy to appeal.

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415679)

If memory serves me right, Chad Pennington was a young impressionable QB when he took over the Jets and the best trait Herm has is that he is a great leader, the man has a niche for leading young and old. That's why he gets the label of a players coach. Name me one team that lost badly last year where the players were all in favor of their coach returning. One thing struck me by surprise when Tony G. came out in support for Herm in a big way and from what I understand about Tony is that he tells it like it truly is. Herm has the full support of his players and to me that's all that matters.

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5415696)

How the **** can you be a great leader when your team doesn't win games? The only leading that is, is leading them to the slaughter. Herm is a putz and his head coaching skills are awful. Good riddance to him and all his excuse-making supporters.

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 5415712)

SCHEFTER: SHANAHAN WON’T LAND IN KANSAS CITY
Posted by Mike Florio on January 22, 2009, 12:25 p.m.
In response to rapidly-spreading rumors (we might have had something to do with that) regarding the possibility of a former Broncos and Raiders coach landing with their common rivals in Kansas City, Adam Schefter of NFLN says that there’s no truth whatsoever to the reports/rumors/rumblings/scuttlebutt that Mike Shanahan will be the next coach of the Chiefs.

Per Schefter, the Chiefs and Shanahan have had no contact as of mid-day Thursday.

Of course, it doesn’t mean that there won’t be contact if/when Herm Edwards is fired. We assume that the Chiefs are spending more time deciding whether to keep Herm than they are lining up his potential replacement.

Especially in light of the Rooney Rule.

Unless Shanahan’s spray tan falls within the scope of the Soul Man exception, he can’t be hired until after Edwards is fired and at least one minority candidate is interviewed.

Source http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415679)

Tony G. came out in support for Herm in a big way and from what I understand about Tony is that he tells it like it truly is. Herm has the full support of his players and to me that's all that matters.

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415718)

No excuses, just passionate about the game I love.:D

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 5415712)

SCHEFTER: SHANAHAN WON’T LAND IN KANSAS CITY
Posted by Mike Florio on January 22, 2009, 12:25 p.m.
In response to rapidly-spreading rumors (we might have had something to do with that) regarding the possibility of a former Broncos and Raiders coach landing with their common rivals in Kansas City, Adam Schefter of NFLN says that there’s no truth whatsoever to the reports/rumors/rumblings/scuttlebutt that Mike Shanahan will be the next coach of the Chiefs.

Per Schefter, the Chiefs and Shanahan have had no contact as of mid-day Thursday.

Of course, it doesn’t mean that there won’t be contact if/when Herm Edwards is fired. We assume that the Chiefs are spending more time deciding whether to keep Herm than they are lining up his potential replacement.

Especially in light of the Rooney Rule.

Unless Shanahan’s spray tan falls within the scope of the Soul Man exception, he can’t be hired until after Edwards is fired and at least one minority candidate is interviewed.

Source http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 5415719)

Makes more sense. Where there's smoke there may be fire, but I don't expect any replacement to be named until probably right before or right after the Super Bowl.

Let's just get rid of Herm first...

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415679)

If memory serves me right, Chad Pennington was a young impressionable QB when he took over the Jets and the best trait Herm has is that he is a great leader, the man has a niche for leading young and old. That's why he gets the label of a players coach. Name me one team that lost badly last year where the players were all in favor of their coach returning. One thing struck me by surprise when Tony G. came out in support for Herm in a big way and from what I understand about Tony is that he tells it like it truly is. Herm has the full support of his players and to me that's all that matters.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5415720)

I've been trying to explain this to the board in recent weeks.

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 5415744)

I think it was said that Col. Custard was a soldiers man, he and Herm have had similar results. It is a great thing that the players love the coach, but it is another if the coach cannot turn that respect into wins.

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 5415741)

Here it is officially from Schefter:

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/01/22/chie...cted-shanahan/

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 5415741)

Here it is officially from Schefter:

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/01/22/chie...cted-shanahan/

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5415734)

That's not passion, that's reerunation. Supporting a man who has SIX wins out of 32 games in the past two seasons is like supporting Charles Manson to run a daycare. He's not a good coach and I could give a **** if the players like the coach-it isn't up to them. I want WINS and Herm has a grand TOTAL of 15 wins as the Head Coach of the Chiefs. That's an average of 5 wins per season and you want him back? Sorry, but anybody that supports a losing record doesn't have the Chiefs best interest in mind, yourself included.

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 5415744)

I think it was said that Col. Custard was a soldiers man, he and Herm have had similar results. It is a great thing that the players love the coach, but it is another if the coach cannot turn that respect into wins.

I do not think I have ever heard the words muttered, "Belichick is a players coach", or "Parcells is a players coach," yet their players love them. The ones that don't are typically the 'me-first' type of guys, the ones that aren't tolerated by either of them, and thus they are ignored in the lockeroom as well as on the field until they can be traded or cut.

I don't want a bumbeling nice guy as a HC. It may sound cheesy, but football and war are similar in their power structure. You wouldn't want a slow to react/evolve, but lovable general to lead your military into battle, so why would you want something similar as a head coach. Herm is a Col. Custard type of guy (Custard probably had more dickheadedness and self assurance than Herm, though arguable), not a Patton type of guy.

More than coaches, and sometimes more than money, players love to win. If you win, the players will respect the coach that is leading them to those wins. These young guys know nothing but losing as KC Chiefs. I all but guarantee that the KC players will love/respect any coach that comes in here and gets them on the winning track.

I want a Patton, a Bellichick/Parcells type. I will leave you with possibly one of the greatest quotes in human histroy:


-Gen. G.S. Patton

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 5415753)

Pretty definitive, though. Do we believe Schefter with his Denver connection, or Garcia Bronco with his alleged Kyle Shanahan encounter?

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415760)

I havn't read you saying one fact other than blowing your mouth about how this sucks and that sucks, come with some facts other than a win/loss record for a coach who was under the reign of King Carl.

Yeah your right, nobody wants a coach the players playing the game have total respect for and will do anything to win for him and the fans. Please remember just how young of a group we truly have, I'm telling you nobody went into this season (maybe you) thinking we were even going to get close to competing and now everbody wants to act suprised and blow it up again!

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5415766)

Sorry but wins and loses are the MOST IMPORTANT stat you can go by for a HEAD COACH, especially after THREE FULL YEARS. What other stat is there for a Head Coach? Passes completed by Herm? Interceptions by Herm?

The man you support is a LOSER, evidenced by his record.

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415760)

I havn't read you saying one fact other than blowing your mouth about how this sucks and that sucks, come with some facts other than a win/loss record for a coach who was under the reign of King Carl.

Yeah your right, nobody wants a coach the players playing the game have total respect for and will do anything to win for him and the fans. Please remember just how young of a group we truly have, I'm telling you nobody went into this season (maybe you) thinking we were even going to get close to competing and now everbody wants to act suprised and blow it up again!

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415779)

I agree, wins are the most important stat for head coach, my argument is that with the CURRENT roster, he hasn't been given a chance (other than one FULL year) to show what he can do with his guys and his system.

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415779)

I agree, wins are the most important stat for head coach, my argument is that with the CURRENT roster, he hasn't been given a chance (other than one FULL year) to show what he can do with his guys and his system.

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415779)

I agree, wins are the most important stat for head coach, my argument is that with the CURRENT roster, he hasn't been given a chance (other than one FULL year) to show what he can do with his guys and his system.

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415779)

I agree, wins are the most important stat for head coach, my argument is that with the CURRENT roster, he hasn't been given a chance (other than one FULL year) to show what he can do with his guys and his system.

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5415783)

So how many more years does this guy get a ****ing pass?

Originally Posted by KC4EVER (Post 5415796)

Again, I think he's only had ONE true year to do what he wanted to do and at least give the man his last year to prove himself otherwise.

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5415795)

He's had THREE YEARS, if he and the GM didn't see eye to eye, he could have easily declined the job, but he ACCEPTED, knowing full well what the circumstances were. He also had Croyle for longer than a year. Same with Hali, Tyler, McBride, Pollard, etc...These are HIS PLAYERS and he failed miserably with HIS guys.