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Katipan 02-02-2009 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 5450360)
I am ignorant to the karate nuances so I would love an explaination on the whole chin high thing if you could.

Shodokan is all about stance and using as few movements as possible to inflict the most damage. Your chin has to be up because that's the natural position of your body. So much of the core movements come entirely from holding your body properly. Then when you move, everything is hips first. If your chin is down you end up leading with it.

Or something like that.

I'm just beginning dammit. :)

raybec 4 02-02-2009 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 5450380)
Shodokan is all about stance and using as few movements as possible to inflict the most damage. Your chin has to be up because that's the natural position of your body. So much of the core movements come entirely from holding your body properly. Then when you move, everything is hips first. If your chin is down you end up leading with it.

Or something like that.

I'm just beginning dammit. :)

Thanks

raybec 4 02-02-2009 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoLJ (Post 5450371)
Rampage could stand and throw with him, Machida is faster no doubt, but Rampage has a pretty strong chin. He has stood toe to toe with Liddell and Wandy, who are both very good strikers. Rashad is definetely fast enough to throw with Machida, maybe even faster, many believe Rashad is the fastest striker in the division. Machida is a very patient fighter, which can make him extremely boring to watch.

I believe that statement to be 100 percent accurate, Rashad proved during the Griffin fight that although he may not be technically sound, he is very fast and has plenty of power. I think Machida could win that fight by frustrating Rashad but he would have to be very careful.

RUSH 02-02-2009 01:24 PM

GSP is the #1 pound for pound fighter in the world. I would think it's fair if someone argued Fedor, but to me GSP passed Anderson with his victory over Penn. GSP has no weaknesses, and it truly is a pleasure to watch him fight. How do you become the best wrestler in MMA when you have no wrestling pedigree? MMA is filled with collegiate wrestlers, some of them being national champions. He's an amazing athlete.

I also love how BJ was talking all that crap about his improved cardio and toughness. He was gassed midway through the 2nd round and didn't even look like he wanted to be in there. He got what he deserved.

Machida was very impressive too. I like him to win the LHW belt soon and hold it for a very long time. No one has seemed to figure him out and it won't happen soon. Maybe if someone is able to take him down at will, but I don't think anyone can at this point. His takedown defense is great and even if he gets down to the ground, he can hold his own.

BigCatDaddy 02-02-2009 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RUSH (Post 5451270)
GSP is the #1 pound for pound fighter in the world. I would think it's fair if someone argued Fedor, but to me GSP passed Anderson with his victory over Penn. GSP has no weaknesses, and it truly is a pleasure to watch him fight. How do you become the best wrestler in MMA when you have no wrestling pedigree? MMA is filled with collegiate wrestlers, some of them being national champions. He's an amazing athlete.

I also love how BJ was talking all that crap about his improved cardio and toughness. He was gassed midway through the 2nd round and didn't even look like he wanted to be in there. He got what he deserved.

Machida was very impressive too. I like him to win the LHW belt soon and hold it for a very long time. No one has seemed to figure him out and it won't happen soon. Maybe if someone is able to take him down at will, but I don't think anyone can at this point. His takedown defense is great and even if he gets down to the ground, he can hold his own.

How does beating a guy coming up from 155 prove you are the best pound for pound? If he wants to be the best PfP fighter, then he needs to beat the best pound for pound fighter. Let's see him move up, like Penn did, and fight Anderson Silva.

raybec 4 02-02-2009 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 5451460)
How does beating a guy coming up from 155 prove you are the best pound for pound? If he wants to be the best PfP fighter, then he needs to beat the best pound for pound fighter. Let's see him move up, like Penn did, and fight Anderson Silva.

My thoughts too, Silva moved up to 205 and completely blasted Irvin. I would love to see GSP vs Silva but he would need to fight some lesser competition at 185 first IMO.

SAUTO 02-02-2009 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 5451460)
How does beating a guy coming up from 155 prove you are the best pound for pound? If he wants to be the best PfP fighter, then he needs to beat the best pound for pound fighter. Let's see him move up, like Penn did, and fight Anderson Silva.

AGREED

RUSH 02-02-2009 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 5451599)
My thoughts too, Silva moved up to 205 and completely blasted Irvin. I would love to see GSP vs Silva but he would need to fight some lesser competition at 185 first IMO.

Come on now Irvin is terrible, that proves nothing. GSP can easily move up to 185 and blast the bums of that division as well. Hell I'll even say he would beat everyone other than maybe Anderson. Anderson can probably move up to 205 and beat most if not all of the LHW's too. GSP and Anderson have both wiped out their divisions in dominating fashion. I think GSP has been more impressive in doing so and has beat better competition, so that's why I give him the edge. I guess we will find out who's better once GSP wipes the floor with a roided up Thiago Alves. I can't think of a fight next for each fighter after Silva beats Leites and GSP beats Alves, so hopefully they go at it next.

ArrowheadHawk 02-02-2009 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RUSH (Post 5451833)
Come on now Irvin is terrible, that proves nothing. GSP can easily move up to 185 and blast the bums of that division as well. Hell I'll even say he would beat everyone other than maybe Anderson. Anderson can probably move up to 205 and beat most if not all of the LHW's too. GSP and Anderson have both wiped out their divisions in dominating fashion. I think GSP has been more impressive in doing so and has beat better competition, so that's why I give him the edge. I guess we will find out who's better once GSP wipes the floor with a roided up Thiago Alves. I can't think of a fight next for each fighter after Silva beats Leites and GSP beats Alves, so hopefully they go at it next.

Possible but I doubt it. The UFC loses out on main events when it pits its champions against each other.

RUSH 02-02-2009 03:49 PM

And how is beating a top 5 fighter in the world twice being looked over as just beating a 155er. BJ was a champ at 170, so he can definitely fight at that weight and GSP just destroyed him. BJ and Matt Hughes are better than anyone Anderson has ever beaten and GSP has done so twice. Maybe you can argue Henderson, but he isn't as good when he's fighting at 185. I love Anderson too, but I just can't seem to put him ahead of GSP, especially after the Cote performance.

raybec 4 02-02-2009 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RUSH (Post 5451833)
Come on now Irvin is terrible, that proves nothing. GSP can easily move up to 185 and blast the bums of that division as well. Hell I'll even say he would beat everyone other than maybe Anderson. Anderson can probably move up to 205 and beat most if not all of the LHW's too. GSP and Anderson have both wiped out their divisions in dominating fashion. I think GSP has been more impressive in doing so and has beat better competition, so that's why I give him the edge. I guess we will find out who's better once GSP wipes the floor with a roided up Thiago Alves. I can't think of a fight next for each fighter after Silva beats Leites and GSP beats Alves, so hopefully they go at it next.

Can and I'll say don't = did, however I'll concede Irvin is not the cream of the crop. I can't possibly see how GSP has been more dominant. Let's look at fact- Silva has not been to a decision in the UFC. He has fought Dan Henderson and Rich Franklin who are both natural 205 lbers and former champions. GSP lost to Matt ****ing Serra. That guy is terrible and should never be allowed to fight again.

GSP is not nearly as dominant as Silva. He has beaten guys in who are past their prime or above their natural weight. Let him move up and start winning and he could be in the same class as Silva.

RUSH 02-02-2009 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 5451864)
Can and I'll say don't = did, however I'll concede Irvin is not the cream of the crop. I can't possibly see how GSP has been more dominant. Let's look at fact- Silva has not been to a decision in the UFC. He has fought Dan Henderson and Rich Franklin who are both natural 205 lbers and former champions. GSP lost to Matt ****ing Serra. That guy is terrible and should never be allowed to fight again.

GSP is not nearly as dominant as Silva. He has beaten guys in who are past their prime or above their natural weight. Let him move up and start winning and he could be in the same class as Silva.

Franklin and Henderson are worse at 185. And I'll change that "probably" to say that he can move up to 205 and beat all the top 205ers, other than Machida, but they would never fight anyway. Yeah GSP lost to Serra, it's MMA fluke stuff happens sometimes, much like how Anderson got caught by Ryo Chonan. He showed it was a fluke a year later. And I don't think going to decision should be a knock against a fighter. GSP and Anderson are different fighters. GSP's domination of Fitch was equally impressive as Anderson's KO's or TKO's over the various fighters he has fought in the UFC.

raybec 4 02-02-2009 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RUSH (Post 5451896)
Franklin and Henderson are worse at 185. And I'll change that "probably" to say that he can move up to 205 and beat all the top 205ers, other than Machida, but they would never fight anyway. Yeah GSP lost to Serra, it's MMA fluke stuff happens sometimes, much like how Anderson got caught by Ryo Chonan. He showed it was a fluke a year later. And I don't think going to decision should be a knock against a fighter. GSP and Anderson are different fighters. GSP's domination of Fitch was equally impressive as Anderson's KO's or TKO's over the various fighters he has fought in the UFC.

I gotta disagree again and say dominating John Fitch and knocking out Rich Franklin or subbing Hendo are not even in the same ballpark much less equal.

And you are correct Silva looked bad against Chonan with that whole flying sizzer heel bullshit but, over the same time period it's my opinion that Silva has won his fights against top level competition in more impressive fashion.

El Jefe 02-02-2009 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 5451924)
I gotta disagree again and say dominating John Fitch and knocking out Rich Franklin or subbing Hendo are not even in the same ballpark much less equal.

And you are correct Silva looked bad against Chonan with that whole flying sizzer heel bullshit but, over the same time period it's my opinion that Silva has won his fights against top level competition in more impressive fashion.

I agree.

BigCatDaddy 02-03-2009 08:04 AM

WOW!!! GSP busted for cheating during the fight. Sounds like this could get serious.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma...urn=mma,138156

Katipan 02-03-2009 08:08 AM

Totally wish I could blame that on BJ's beat down.

Would still totally dance a jig if they stripped the belt from GSP and gave it to the undeserving Penn. :D

raybec 4 02-03-2009 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 5453482)
Totally wish I could blame that on BJ's beat down.

Would still totally dance a jig if they stripped the belt from GSP and gave it to the undeserving Penn. :D

I doubt anything will come of this but man I hope so. GSP beat the hell out of BJ but I still can't bring myself to like him, maybe it's the accent.

BigCatDaddy 02-03-2009 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 5453490)
I doubt anything will come of this but man I hope so. GSP beat the hell out of BJ but I still can't bring myself to like him, maybe it's the accent.

Boxing and MMA both got some nice black eyes recently with Margarito loading up the gloves and not GSP pulling the old Bronco Offensive Lineman crap.

MOhillbilly 02-03-2009 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 5453490)
I doubt anything will come of this but man I hope so. GSP beat the hell out of BJ but I still can't bring myself to like him, maybe it's the accent.


its the surrender monkey blood GSP carries.

Simplex3 02-03-2009 09:08 AM

What the hell were they thinking? There are cameras freaking everywhere. You're not going to get away with this and it was obvious he didn't need the extra help. Kind of sad that people have been complaining about this and nobody has done anything about it.

raybec 4 02-03-2009 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 5453494)
Boxing and MMA both got some nice black eyes recently with Margarito loading up the gloves and not GSP pulling the old Bronco Offensive Lineman crap.

I was truly shocked with the Margarito thing, I really thought he was just one of those Mexican fighters who makes his living with throwing tons of body punches and having an iron chin, what a let down.


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